Pornmobile Controversy: The Video...

Wow. I'm speechless.

First, I must say that I love that your guys' theology is so spot on. You seem to really understand the gospel and I love that.

However, there are some things I think you could improve on:
- No matter how strange the attacker is, it is important to treat them with respect. Eating while having this conversation, heck, eating while the other person isn't is a bit impolite.
- Also, busting out scripture should have been a little more obvious... like say, using a pocket bible!!! I mean, just show him where paul admits to being a sinner.

All that being said, this video is epic and I would really love to be a part of this ministry.

Wow... I can't believe he didn't partake of that delicious granola.

The man in the hat makes me think that a Christian has to be perfect and without sin.

I'm sorry you guys went through that.

Lol! These videos/debates always make me laugh. The whole granola thing was hilarious.

Sheesh I would not like to be that guy (I'm guessing his name is Michael?). One of the tiniest slip ups - one lie, one bad thought, one swear word - could probably cause him the worst guilt trip ever thought of if he honestly believes everything he said. Not to mention make him look like a hypocrite :P

I wonder if his wife would agree that he is now perfect like Jesus.... haha.

This response is from Michael

(I rebuke you wicked men! In the name of Jesus!)

even the 700 club is in on this supporting XXXchurch
I rebuked you Pat Roberson for supporting this evil…!

on 700 club..

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=6873303

Also “Thank Jesus” that the “way of the master radio” speaks out against this sick stuff…
the "way of the master" is against XXX church's dragging the church down and making it look bad, there is a blog on the way of the master,, radio where they say XXX church is real wrong..they show a video of XXXchurch's porn puppet and a porn producer Ron Jeremy telling children at a grocery store porn is not for children but is for adults,,, this is abomination check it out..

http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?title=1389981839&channel=1185329932


also it would not surprise me if Ron Jeremy is behind XXX church and has financed it...

I wonder why that guy was so offended?

In America, Porn is a part of every guys life (give or take a few) and alot of Womens lifes directly or indirectly. How do you reach them for Christ? How do you reach sinners that are so far from God that they think right is wrong and wrong is right? America has no clue about God, yet they think they do, they make up ideas of what God is like without knowing Him for themself... how do you reach an America in bondage to porn, masturbation, fornication, adultry, and sexual sins? Christians don't realize how big of a deal it is... God has called us to be holy and set apart to Him. So... if this organization XXXChurch.com is reaching them with the real message of Christ and his redeeming power to be set free from pron (and sin of course), then overall I think its doing a good service for the Kingdom of God. Let's remember, it's the Kingdom of God, not the Kingdom of Christians. Does God approve?

Oh my goodness, I have a slight smirk on my face because I know the feeling that these two XXXchurch guys were going through. But I also have this sickening stomach pain because the man 'going to war" on you guys is completely satisfied that he has done the will of God in rebuking y'all. It is sad to see people like him think that they do not sin, and think that in a changing world, ministries must in a way adapt to reach those that are lost. Sure your ways are unconventional, which is probably why you have been so successful in helping people with their pornography addictions. You have scripture to back up what you believe, but unfortunately you didn't have them on hand for this stubborn gentlemen or even if you did, he would not allow you to get more than five words in at a time. His Psalm 5:5 scripture about God hating all doers of iniquity, wow. His quote is accurate, but have you ever noticed the wrath of God all throughout the Old Testament. With Jesus' coming, death, and resurrection, we have been given a new Covenant in which we have been set free from death and destruction upon belief and confession of Jesus Christ. Therefore, that scripture reference of any reference about the Wrath of God from the Old Testament most likely cannot apply. Thank God for His mercy, because if or when this fellow gets to Heaven, he will have the hugest eye opening and possible embarrassing (if they have embarrassment there, probably not) moment of his life. Keep on keeping on dudes at XXXchurch. The devil will send things and people of all churches and walks of life to snag and destroy what he doesn't want to prosper and help God's children.

-Caleb

dude michael you need to get some new material. you've been writing the same messages for weeks now. come up with something new before you post anything else.

So, all these posts are good and all, but the opposers to Michael Markle are showing very little to no scripture to combat him with...
Intead of being sarcastic, maybe we should correct him with scipture.... That would work a lot better than anything else you guys are doing...
besides! IT would encourage yo to search ou t the scripture which you holdast to, it woldprovide you with a beter anchor to your faith. v

: )

Wow, like i think what you guys are doing is awesome! Maybe try with abit less attitude next time bro lol but hey whatevs hehe.

But yeah like i just dont get these people, do they think they are perfect? and always were?

i reckon Judah Smith has put in so well in saying that Purity (and basically just your relationship with Jesus in a whole) is not a point but a process. We'll never be completyley from sin, the only thing we can do is believe in Gods power to save us from it and just continuously be running after God and away from the devil.

Keep it up fellas!

Also, even tho i know you never will but just for some encouragment and support.

Never stop saying stuff like "No.1 Xtian Pornsite" cos thats what made me come to ur qwebsite in the first place thinking that i was gonna get porn, wasnt i shocked! haha. And you have helped me so much now!!!

so yeah dont listen to anybody like that, keep being outrageous!

Have you ever realized that people of his generation are really into the word abomination? It is like their secret weapon of some kind. I have asked a few what it means to try to figure out why they drop that word and many think it means that you are going to hell. It actully means hatred or disgust for something. I have an abomination for brussel sprouts. But you really knew the guy was clueless when he said he would not shake hands with a sinner. The truth is, Jesus doesn't just shake hands with sinners, He embraces us all in our struggle with sin.

iamemo made a good point but one that was already thought through. He said that we should combat Michael Markely with scripture. But as we have all seen that he takes every piece of scripture out of context. Even if we tried to use a verse he wouldn't understand it. The only way, in my opinion, to combat a person like him is to show him through his own misunderstanding how he is not making sense. Michael Markely has some pretty screwed up beliefs on what being a Christian is. It seems that he has these beliefs because he is not grounded in a strong bible believing church. It says on his website that he has lived in a motor home for most of his life, which leads me to believe that he has no one to hold him accountable for the thoughts he is having. He comes up with these random principles that aren't by thinking he is understading what the bible is saying and then has no one to talk them out with because he travels all over the country playing in a different town each night.
So it did dawn on me that I should be rebutting with scripture but he never listened to anyone when they told him a verse. Plus Jesus didnt have a bible to quote from:) I only wish I could have the knowledge to handle people like Jesus did.
But I'm done conversing with Michael Markley now.

I laughed... Hard... People like these always seem to dig themselves in deeper. +10 man points guys for staying cool under pressure.

You guys rock. I know in the weakness of my flesh, i would have been sorely tempted to tear into verbally.

What is that lyric that Metallica sings: "Ignorance and arrogance go hand in hand."

With guys like these, you can't convince him of anything, so I don't even try anymore. They're right, you're wrong. Unfortunately, they are really lonely people, and they think everyone else is screwed up, because there the ones who have problems making friends.

I think he would hate Philip Yancey's "What so Amazing about Grace".

I am rather confused about how anyone on here can judge the man for his opinion and character. I understand what he is saying about the car wrap. if anyone listen to him they would understand that his main complaint was that xxxchurch.com appears to an insult to Christ to those who don't know about the site or who never check it out. I'm sure if my Mother saw the car she wouldn't go and check it out but would shake her head at what she assumes it to be about.

xxxchurch is a great site with a great mission to group of people who are in pain and despair. The drivers of the car need to be more understanding of those and I might be wrong here but more with the elderly who see it as offensive.

Please understand that most Christians and Most Elderly would never ever go to a site that has the words church and porn together. I would think it is safe to say a high percent of elderly Christians would never even check out a site with the word porn associate with it.

This gentleman Michael strikes me as a hardcore church goer the type that does everything he can for his local Church and like most of us got up on his soapbox for the right reasons but when faced with a camera and a young man who was unable to speak to him without stuffing his face or trying to be "smarter" then he found might of went a little too far.

The offer to shake his hand at the end was condescending and I understand Michael not shaking hands. There is a camera in his face and not knowing how the video could be used I would assume Michael preferred not to have a image of him shaking hands with someone who might in his eyes be up to evil.

XXX church's inflatable christian male sex organ

you people are WICKED repent


http://www.alittleleaven.com/2008/01/wally-the-weine.html

Imagine showing up to church next sunday and finding a 30 foot high erect phallus on top of your church or in the church parking lot announcing a sermon series on Pornography. "Absurd and ridiculous", you say. "No Christian Church or Ministry would ever resort to something as shameful as a giant phallus", you say. Sadly, you'd be wrong. (Warning: Explicit Link)
According to Wally's Website:
Mike and Craig of XXXchurch dreamed up the idea of Wally one afternoon in sunny southern California. XXXchurch exists to bring awareness, openness, accountability and recovery to the church, society and individuals in the issues of pornography and to begin to provide solutions through non-judgmental and creative means.

Blah...

Michael, you should probably forgive us all for offending you. After all, Christ forgave us. I'm being serious and not trying to be snide.

I don't think there is anything wrong with XXXChurch ministry. I believe the team is genuinely helping further the Kingdom of God. If you've taken offense, as it seems you have, the bible commands you to forgive us.

Matthew 6:14 “For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."

For your own sake, please find forgiveness. Check out the parable of the Unforgiving Servant: Matt 18:21-35

May I share something? I know we are to be completely whole in Christ, and not only accept Him, but walk with Him and be like Him! I sin, do I like it? Do I feel that I'm going to hell for it? If that was the case, then millions of Christians would be so guilty, so shameful, so full of hate and fear that they would not understand the grace of Jesus' love on the cross. That is the reason why I can go down on my knees and ask Him to forgive me, and continue to change my mind, heart, spirit, soul and everything else.
I have a few questions? Did Moses sin? Did Abraham? David? What about Jesus' disciples? What about the one the cut the ear of a temple guard, and denied Christ? How about all the imperfect people that not only society and the church reject, but are considered the scum of the Earth.....why does Jesus save them? I know quite a few people, including family members...We are too understand Scripture, and it says "only ONE without sin!" Jesus, but us His followers, those who love Him have to resist temptation, give death to the "old man" and so we have struggles just like everyone since Adam and Eve....please let us listen more, and argue less! I love you no matter what guys from xxxchurch, and that gentleman (I know he means well)...but this is what gets us so called "Christians" a bad rep! In the name of Jesus, your brother in the narrow path....
JP

You should have taken him to I John 1:8-10

"If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us."

My heart is for you guys. I really believe he is overly self-righteous , i really respect you guys for keeping your cool out there when that man is just throwing verses at you.

Michael,

I agree with you about xxx church and I consider their methods to be sinful.

By the way, I have a prayer list of 340 people in the porn industry that I'm praying for their salvation.

Barry Bowen
Christian Headlines

I worry about these two young men and What I am about to write is not a Self Righteous attitude so please don't see it that way.
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There are Several Problems with this Ministry that has evolved here. Is this a New Testament Church? NO. There is a Problem when someone is called Pastor and has no Flock. Where was this Pastor Ordained? Where is their Statement of Faith? 2 Young Men that Travel around in a Van does not constitute a Church. This Could be called a Ministry and the 2 young men be Missionaries thus calling their ministry XXXMinistry, but they would then have to be sent out from a Local Church somewhere with the Ordained Authority to do so.
These Young men could possibly be doing what many are doing today using Christianity and Young Christians to Fill their coffers or Pockets with Money to enjoy this UNGODLY life Style they say they are against. Paul the Apostle said in 1Co 14:40 Let all things be done decently and in order.(KJV) Anyone can call themselves a Pastor or Missionary or Evangelist, but the real Question is did GOD call you personally into that position. God has called every Christian to Preach against Sin, and if the Ministry was truly GOD Called and SPIRIT Filled the people at the PORNO Shows would not like what GOD says through his servents and they would have thrown you out of their Congrigation or Place of Worship as they did Jesus Christ when Speaking to just the Religious crowed in Lu 4: 28 And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath,
29 And rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong. If those that you are Preaching to inside the PORNO Places Love you then you need to check yourself on what your saying. The GOSPEL of Jesus Christ is Offensive to those that want to live in SIN and you will Spark up Controversy. Paul the Apostle told Timothy a young Preacher in 2Ti 4:1 ¶ I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.(KJV)
Ministries Can only be made Full Proof if they are God Called.
Unfortunately many People think they can profess themselves as a Christian and tackle the big Sinful pictures in life such as Porn, but I believe these young men need to be Honest with them self about the effect it is having on them. The Bible clearly states in 1Thessalonians 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.(KJV) Also I heard this is an Internet Church which makes it impossible to Physically Exist. It was said that in 2009 that they would be setting up a Church in Sin City, Las Vegas Nevada. There is a Man in the Bible named Lot, and the Bible Says 2:7 ¶ And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
2Pe 2:8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;)(KJV)
Lots Problem was he first Pitched his tent toward Sodom, and Remember The Bible says he had a righteous soul but he VEXED it. Lot lost his Wife because she Turned back and looked at the destruction of Sodom when she was told not to, and she turned into a pillar of salt. Lots mind was so twisted in such a way when the Angels first walked through the City and came to where Lot lived they went inside his home and the Sodomites came knocking after that and wanted Lot to give the (Men) Angels over to them so they could Rape them and do what ever was pleasing in their eyes, and Lots mind was so Corrupted that he offered the Men of Sodom his Own Virgin Daughters in place of the Angels. Living in Sodom to Preach the Gospel will not last long before you are Tossed Out by them or Yoked Up with them. How many will fall in their own lust, and How long will it Take?

Prayerfully-Evangelist Tom Anderson
Streets of America Ministry

there are many web links to this trash..
what a way for Ron Jeremy to attract attention..
just think Ron Jeremys listens to gospel music,
( he claims ) what a way for Ron Jeremy
to beat porn laws if its christian and he establishes a church in Vegas...what if XXXchurch is a creation of Ron Jeremy and the
700 club and God tube and
Christianity today mag..with many other socalled christian organizations supporting Him,,, think about it,, religious freedom to promote porn,,,, what a twist,,,, like anti-smoking campaigns created by big tobacco companies,,,,

wrestling match between craig gross and ron jeremy link below


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK2QruDpWRk

here is a link to TBN supporting this wicked church

http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?title=1243521032&channel=1185329932

Craig Gorss and Ron Jeremy...I dont know if you have been following this whole debate in here . I bet maybe someone could have shown you this or you could have heard about it from someone...but to Craig, through what you have established here, XXXChurch and this whole ministry, I thank you personally. I thank you personally for helping me get through my addiction to porn and helping me realize how destructive it is in a marriage let alone a personal walk with God. I thank you that you trust God through all the criticism heaped upon you from people who do not know or care what others are going through. I can not judge whether these people that criticize you in the name of God are true Christians. Only God will judge them at the gates of heaven...but what I can do is say thank you Craig Gross and the XXXChurch Ministries.

To Ron Jeremy...your name is getting thrown around in here like you are a person that doesn't have feelings or someone is that is the scum of the earth for the profession you choose to take.
As a Christian man I want to apologize for these people that claim to be Christians. Jesus would have befriended you in a heart beat because that is just what he did. I absolutely cherish the friendship that you have with Craig and XXXChurch.

To this last comment that was written...I am only responding to it because its not Michael Markley who wrote it...Please read through the XXXChurch website before you go name this ministry in the likes of Lot going to Sodom. Read about the lives that are being touched and changed. Read about the welcome they receive at the porn shows because they are the only light shinning in a very very dark place. You said that you "Heard that its an internet church" well read for yourself about how they plan to start a church in probably the darkest place in this country. I dont know if you have ever been to the Las Vegas Strip or not but it is an extremely dark place that needs the light of God. People need to see that what goes on there will affect the rest of their lives...it doesnt just stay in Vegas. I find it amazing that people think its appalling how this ministry attracts people. Bottom line is they are getting people away from porn and into a relationship with Jesus Christ or at least some help dealing with a difficult subject.

Why do so many people have a problem with other people making a difference in the kingdom of God?? Does God have to fit in a tiny little box in order to help people? The most frustrating thing about debating with people in here is the fact that we all want to see people go to heaven with us...so what does it matter by what method they arrive there with us. Obvisouly its what they needed to see that God loves them and wants the best for them. People are getting help and salvation from XXXChurch...Why is that BAD?

whats next? inflatable nude christian children to attract pedophiles?
you XXXchurch people are so arrogant your blind as bats.

http://galatiansc4v16.wordpress.com/2008/01/18/wally-the-wiener-oh-come-on-now/

lets see what others say about your XXXchurch inflatable male sex organ
(you are wicked and evil men who retend to be christians)

REPENT!


Matt on January 18, 2008

That’s horrible.. I seriously can’t believe they would resort to that to get attention. Porn is a huge problem, and I am glad when people do take a stand against it. However, like you said, we need to take it back to the cross of Christ.

But come on people… why potentially cause some of your brothers to stumble in order to get them to take a look at the issue (no pun intended). Ridiculous.

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Timm on January 18, 2008

I’m actually speechless…..

I just blogged about Pete the Porno Puppet my self, but this…. I don’t even know what to say. That’s disgusting.

I’m all for talking about the issues surrounding pornography, but this is too far.

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Neil on January 18, 2008

This is stupid on at least a couple levels. It is so bizarre that it makes you wonder if a fraud infiltrated the church for the sole reason of making it look stupid. Wow.

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barefootinthepark on January 18, 2008

ugghhh…when there are just so many things wrong, it’s hard to know where to start…..this is what happens when you buy into the philosophy that the church must use worldly means to lure people to “church”….there are no lines and anything goes….it’s all in the name of “helping people”, “doing good” and “bringing people close to God”….

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Loving The Word on January 19, 2008

I feel like puking right now. What next? Bubbles the Boobs? Women have issues within the porn industry too. Can’t wait to see what they come up with to encourage women to be more modest lest they continue to stumble men while in their endeavor to protect their wally’s.

I am so disgusted by this. I think I just need to go take a shower and fast and pray or something. What?
I am so sorry that this XXX ministry (What ever they are) has represented you in such a filthy and repulsive way
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galatiansc4v16 on January 21, 2008

Quintin you make some good points.

One thing that I have noticed is the hypocrisy in using Wally to protest the use of sexual images in commercials. Hello? Isn’t that what Wally is doing; using a sexual image to promote your cause?
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Shock Jock Preaching « GalatiansC4V16 on January 21, 2008

[...] don’t need Wally The Weiner and “The Other F-Word” to shock people into reading the Word. It is the Word of God and [...]

I will Respond to the ignorance that came from G3t0v3rit.
I am sure you have a Name but would not want anyone to know it. Embarrassed to Speak out as a real Person. My Point concerning internet churches who serve internet gods and get everyone caught up in their WEB while pulling out their wallets to put in unmanaged coffers.
Isa 59:1 ¶ Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
3 For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness.
4 None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity.
5 They hatch cockatrice' eggs, and weave the spider's web: he that eateth of their eggs dieth, and that which is crushed breaketh out into a viper.(KJV)

First of all, there is nothing Christian about what is being Presented with XXXchurch.com. I can tell by how you responded to what I wrote that you understood nothing about what I Said. You can Not do anything for God unless it is Ordained of God. The Bible says in John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you..(KJV)

From What I have seen so far and Heard so Far is a Perverted excuse to get Money to live in a place they can‘t handle. As I said before in my last posting is The TRUE Churches of GOD are Ordained of GOD and Sent by GOD. Please don’t speak about the endorsement of the 700 Club because they are always looking for something to get noticed for. They came to our Town Wanting to interview our Preaching Situation and we RAN THEM OFF. They are looking to promote themselves not GOD or our Lord Jesus Christ.
Concerning XXXchurch.com it is not Spiritual Minded nor do I hear about Jesus Christ in their message (What is their message), and instead of lifting up their inflated Phallic Symbol they should lift up a Giant Picture of Jesus Christ Hanging on the Cross wearing the Crown of Thorns on his head with Blood dripping Down his Face and Body. That’s the Gospel we Preach just as Paul the Apostle said in
1. ¶ Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2. By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4. And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
5. And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
6. After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.

You Speak that Jesus would embrace them in Sin City and you are Wrong. According to the Scriptures Jesus Christ is GOD manifest in the Flesh in
1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.(KJV)
God has always Condemned Sin and Sinners would either Get Right with God or Get Mad at God. How many times have these so called Christians Preached Repentance?. I am seeing the Scripture in

Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
(KJV)

I have been Preaching on the Streets of our Country since 1984, and I have seen God move in the Hearts of the People of America, and you have to understand the bible says in
Pr 27:5 ¶ Open rebuke is better than secret love.
(KJV)
2Ti 4:1 ¶ I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2. Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4. And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
We don’t need Puppet Shows, and giant Porno symbols, We need Preaching. God will Bless the Work if it is done HIS way, Not Ours.

XXXchuch.com and it’s Tactics for what ever they are doing will be Judged as any other Ministry will be Judged, and the intent of their hearts will stand at the Great White Throne Judgment along with the other so-called Christians that stood beside them in their lasciviousness. Conversion or Perversion! What is the message?
God Said PREACH!
This is what we are looking at Today when so-Called Christians say they are doing great things for God.
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Col 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
(KJV)

Prayerfully Evangelist Tom Anderson
Streets of America

the only mental picture I get when conversing with both Michael Markely and Tom Anderson is...
Bullhorn guy. Nobody like to listen to bullhorn guy...

In response to G3t0v3rit. Your ignorance of Gods word and showing your adolescence has caused you to resort to name calling. God commands we lift up our Voice like a Trumpet or as you said Bullhorn.
Isa 58:1 ¶ Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.
(KJV)
Your resentment to Bullhorns or Street Preachers shows your Spiritual condition and why you are the way you are. I Will Pray for your Salvation if you really exist.

I have been checking out this site as to have an honest report before God, and this is simply a reformatory for Porn addicts, who are NOT Christians. I have heard the testimonies of the afflicted and hear nothing about Jesus Christ and His Glory. What I have seen is this So-Called Church has condemned Pastors as having dirty little secrets, and the Churches of today being Boring and Traditional. Jesus said in
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
(KJV)
Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
(KJV)
I have also heard this so called Pastor and the perverted translation of what ever he is reading say it was the Bible he was reading from. He has no Bible as he has no church as he is not Christ like and you follow with him as a blind man to his final resting place not knowing where it is and when it will come. You need to wake up before it’s too late. I have given you Scripture and you have given me ?.
I am still exploring this XXXchurch.com and maybe I will see something good but not Spiritual.

Prayerfully Evangelist Tom Anderson (Bullhorn)
Streets of America Ministry
Ps 34:6

there is obviously nothing I can say that will change your mind about the people of XXXChurch. Im sorry that you have to be so closed minded. Have a great time preaching the word of God as you see it on the random street corners annoying the passerbys. I think Im going to go and pour into the ministries at my local church and actually make a difference in peoples lives.
Have a wonderful life with your bullhorn:)

Amazing that hatred that is posted here. If everyone on here is supposed to be Christian and who's may goal is to put forth the Glory of God than I am afraid everyone has failed.

It is okay to disagree and to debate but why the name calling or statements that haven't been proved to be true.

You folks wonder why Christians are viewed as liars and nimrods. Come on folks disagree but do so with Christian love and not worldly hatred

Kermit, you are right. Michael Markely and Tom Anderson...I apologize if I have offended you in any way. It is not my goal to demean you in any way. I was not showing the love of Christ in these discussions...Again, I apologize and it will not happen again.
I apologize to everyone else that is reading this.

I don't receive your apology because your a liar and don't mean it,,,you don't have any love for christ and display a 30ft inflatable socalled christian male sex organ,
you are truly satanic, and hate Jesus..

REPENT

michael

I can read into G3t0v3rit wording that you are a Female also you are a follower and not a leader. This is not said to make you mad or insult you.

Another Word to you, and let me state it as Paul the Apostle said in letting me speek as a fool for a moment. I am not just a Street Preacher, and I have never used a Bullhorn.
I have also Preached in Churches all around this Country in Revival meetings and Tent Meetings.
I am no Novice so please don't count what I have been saying as my opinion. I have used Scripture and never once took it out of Context and made it a PreText.

It always amazes me how the generations of Now and the Generation of Christ differ. Who Changed? Why the Change? What has this Change done to Society.
We understand God did not Change according to
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
(KJV)
Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
(KJV)

God is still the Same, His Word is still the same though many have written other Versions of the Bible and tried to Pervert it. It seems everyone in this New Generation feels they can Invent a Ministry and Call it a Church. The only Non Tangible Church is the Spiritual Body of Believers. Every other Church has a Solid Foundation if it is a True Bible believing Church. Paul the Apostle told the Young Preacher named Timothy in
1Tim 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.(KJV) This is a Physical Church not Spiritual or Internet.

God has not changed his ways and what Jesus Christ said then still applies today. We have been Charged to Preach the GOSPEL not reform the addict.
From what has been displayed on the XXXchuch.com Website is Getting PORN addicts to stop their addiction through vulgar means God would never condone such as the inflatable Phallic symbol. You can reform a Porn Addict and what do you have? A Lost Reformed Sinner. If you are going to Reform People who are addicts, what about the Drug Addicts, Drunks, Sodomites or what is known today as Gay. XXXchurch.com embraces the Gay Life Style so that’s out of the Picture. Christians are not Normally in the PORN shops. The individuals in Porn Shops are usually people who don’t care if you see them or not because they have no reputation or Conviction as a True Christian.

God has called Preachers to Preach the Gospel with Sinners being Saved through the Blood of Jesus Christ by His Word.
Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
(KJV)

A true Christian with an addiction will always have Holy Spirit Conviction that he is being watched and is not getting away with anything.

This XXXchurch is a Reformatory for Lost Sinners Not Sinning Christians. Many of the people say they are Christians and could not tell you how they became one or when this New Birth took Place. Where is the Happy Glory to GOD excitement from these Reformed Christians.
Burning your Porn In Public does not make you right with GOD it makes you right with yourself Morally and only lasts a short time before you are right back at it again. The Videos have Proven much of what I am Saying concerning Reformed Christians VS Reformed Lost Sinners.

Prayerfully Evangelist Tom Anderson (Bullhorn)
Streets of America Ministry
Ps 34:6

Evangelist Tom Anderson, have you ever looked at porn?

Well Evangelist Tom Anderson...you are erroneous on both counts. I am not a female and I am a leader. I cannot disagree with you more on everything you "preach" about. You have a very warped sence of what a true Christian is and I really feel sorry for you. The way you talk to people in places like this and on the street is in such an authoritative tone. Why do you feel you are so much "higher" than everybody else or have such a vast knowledge of God that nobody else has? As we have been through with Michael Markely...God does not talk down to people...he loves them.
So this is what I am going to do. I am going to go and try and get other people to come to a real church with me. Not some random festival or street corner, and make an impact in their life by doing life with them. I have a friend who is addicted to porn and I am going to show him XXXChurch in hopes that he uses it as a TOOL to become free of porn. Not to worship being addicted to porn as you have implied.
But just so we are clear...you have not won. I am not changing my focus because you have made any sort of valid point. In fact, you are doing nothing more than ranting and raving, just like our other com padre. I am changing my focus because I realize that I am wasting to much time in this forum bickering with people that won't change who I am and who I am not going to change.
I pray that both you and Michael Markley find some sort of peace in your life and find that God works in crazy ways, not just the ways you want him to work.
Peace Out

Amazing! G3t0v3rit You still sound like a female, Sorry Please Lead on!
You also keep putting me in with michaelmarkley whom I do not know and have never met. If you don’t like him and he Preaches the same Bible I Preach and sees this Web Site as wrong then I will invite him to my table for Conversation. I believe you like Porn and that’s the real reason you get offended at Real Preachers of God. Nevertheless let me continue on.

It’s amazing how G3t0v3rit hears ranting and Raving when non has taken Place. I have stated Scripture when he has stated none. G3t0v3rit you seem frustrated because you know you have never been Truly Saved or at least it sounds that way. You keep setting me Primarily as a Street Preacher, and you seem to have a Problem with that. Read your History about our Great Christian Reformers who Preached their message on the Streets and made a great Difference and God Blessed them for it. They did not hold up Giant inflatable Phallic Symbols and have puppet Shows. The Sinners that opposed them in that day sounded like you because they loved this present evil world.
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I have an answer to Robbie’s Question.

Before I got Saved (Born Again) Washed in the Blood of the Lord Jesus Christ, I not only looked at Porn but I would have cut your head off and Spit down your Neck for fun.
I hung with a Gang that cared nothing about God or his Word, But Because of Street Preachers being Faithful to Preach, and Preachers who were not afraid of me or the Devil being Faithful to knock on my Door and invite me to Church is why I am Saved Today.
It takes a real Christians with Guts to Preach the Truth on the Streets Outside the Bar Rooms And whore Houses. I thank God for Men that will Stick by the Truth and not compromise their convictions.
It is plain to see the perverseness in the ideas of the Pastors in this Porno Church.
You can only get Addicted to that which you keep indulging in. I am addicted to the Preaching of Gods Word and the Ministry.
The Bible says in
1Co 16:15 I beseech you, brethren, (ye know the house of Stephanas, that it is the firstfruits of Achaia, and that they have addicted themselves to the ministry of the saints,)
(KJV)

Brother Anderson is just a sinner saved by Grace according to
Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
(KJV)

It’s your life and your soul to do with as you please. You don’t get saved when you want to. There has to be conviction and a Drawing by the Holy Ghost of God.
John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
(KJV)
Salvation is not you knowing God, It’s God Knowing you.

Lu 13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

I pray you all wake up before it’s too Late.

Prayerfully Evangelist Tom Anderson
Streets of America Ministry
Ps 34:6

G3t0v3rit - Tom Anderson is right! PREACH NOTHING BUT CHRIST CRUCIFIED! You and this ministry are more concerned about being man-pleasers rather than God-Fearers! I hear nothing from your ministry about a message of "repent for the Kingdom of God is near". Instead I see you promoting a false doctrine that has the "appearance" of holiness but yet it lacks conviction and repentance. The "God of Love" you like to preach is the SAME God that will send every porn star, sodomite and pervert to Hell. God is Righteous and Just and he would be wrong for allowing any of these folks into his eternal kingdom. Repent of this filth and truly love God. Jesus said: THOSE WHO LOVE ME WILL OBEY MY COMMANDMENTS - now just what part of LOVE AND OBEY don't you folks seemto get???

For the record I don’t know Tom Anderson or anyone who is posting here against XXXchurch
I do agree with Him and others that this ministry is “not of God“
What I see happening at XXXchurch is they have flagrantly insulted Jesus and His Church.
It has worked to gather people together in a common cause that XXXchurch can benefit from..
What do I mean? something like this,, they trash Jesus then when they get rebuked for it
they use that to rally people and give them something to fight against, porn addicted people
have sympathy on XXX church who they see as loving them regardless of their rebellious sexual sinning.
People who are in direct rebellion against God unite when they cry “we have been attacked”
it gives them a common enemy and XXX church benefits financially from people who take sides with them.. So the shock degradation in XXX church’s methods makes real Christians upset and that conveniently gives them a enemy to fight and unite against,, its cultish and devilish
There is No love for Jesus in XXXchurch.com that’s why I refused to shake hands with the man in the video,,,
(fact) Loving Jesus is not a inflatable male sex organ…its hating Jesus!.
That fact alone proves that they are wolves in sheep’s clothing
Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

XXXchurch becomes wicked instead of being delivered from it, turns the church into the appearance
of a pornographic church instead of being a Light unto the world
..XXXchurch has created a Idol and call it Jesus,,,,
(what did Jesus say? There will be many false Christ’s arise) .
XXXchurch claims the Jesus they have is unconditional love
even for porn stars who continue what XXXchurch has called a profession

Now read the truth and repent you wicked men!

2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;)
9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
( read about Yourself XXXchurch)
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

In your own words XXX church you condemn your selves,,,I quote ; WE SIN ALMOST DAILY !

for michael markley:
first of all, you are incredible. you are consistently the most hateful person i have ever encountered. consistently. not an ounce of love in you. it is fantastic.

seconly,,, why do you,,, put,,, three commas,,, all the time??? does that,,, represent,,, the trinity or something?
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Hello Michael and thanks for the email. Are you the one doing the rebuking in the video? If so, Praise God! They need a rebuke. Although they may do some good in helping people get out of porn, this group does much more bad. They need to Repent! The Lord bless you...

In Christ,

Evangelist Kerrigan Skelly

Astounding
This is still going on
I had thought for certain this ended weeks ago.

There exists a human dillema when confronting evil. The nature of evil is to destroy and kill. Yet what do we wish to do to evil? destroy it. kill it.

Its through Christ alone that evil can be destroyed. Paradox: he let evil have its way with him on the cross and in hell. He suffered for our sins.

Now to get up and scream, holler and windbag at people that they are of the devil seems to counter the way Christ dealt with evil: with humility, suffering and grace.

I will not keep it secret that I find the "rebukes" of people like Michael Markely offensive and in a way... evil. This quickness towards anger found in these many, many "rebukes" maligns the spirit of grace, humility and love the Lord commanded us to have. It is defiance towards the friendship God ordained between gentile, Jew, clean, unclean, male, female...The bottom line is that preaching in such a manner that acknowledges someone as less than a child of God is...(fill in the blank)

I am not holier than thou. I just have to speak on my opinion...

wow Tom Anderson Evangelist...I sure would hate to be your wife or one of your daughters with the way you automatically assume someone with possibly less scripture knowledge than you is a girl.
Way to go at being a dominating man.
I mean no offense G3t0v3rit...

Hebrews 13:4 (KJV)
Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.


This is the NT read it……….

Jesus has a judgmental side..
Mark 11:15-18 (KJV)
And they come to Jerusalem: and Jesus went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves; [16] And would not suffer that any man should carry any vessel through the temple. [17] And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves. [18] And the scribes and chief priests heard it, and sought how they might destroy him: for they feared him, because all the people was astonished at his doctrine.


Matthew 13:41 (KJV)
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;


Rev. 14:14-20 (KJV)
And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. [15] And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. [16] And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped. [17] And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. [18] And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. [19] And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. [20] And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.


Rev. 15:4 (KJV)
Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.


Rev. 16:1 (KJV)
And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.


Rev. 16:7-9 (KJV)
And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments. [8] And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. [9] And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.


Rev. 21:6-8 (KJV)
And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. [7] He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. [8] But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.


( Now what about Judgment by Christians?

Christians are suppose to Judge but be living right when they do
Matthew 7:1-2 (KJV)
Judge not, that ye be not judged. [2] For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

John 7:24 (KJV)
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

This is not a Judgement of vengeance that Christians judge its judging fruit and using that to reprove wicked people…

Jesus’s Judgment is vengeance.. Its His honor,,,He gave it to Samson once but not to the church,,
Jesus will destroy His enemies with vengeance

2 Thes. 1:8 (KJV)
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Psalm 94:1 (KJV)
O Lord God, to whom vengeance belongeth; O God, to whom vengeance belongeth, shew thyself.
Psalm 149:7 (KJV)
To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people;


Jesus is not unconditional love,,,Jesus will hate and destroy wicked people

Hebrews 10:30 (KJV)
For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

Jude 1:7 (KJV)
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.


Jesus is going to put these people into eternal fire….. a devils hell...


So what about Christians judging?
Acts 16:15 (KJV)
And when she was baptized, and her household, she besought us, saying, If ye have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house, and abide there. And she constrained us.


Romans 2:3 (KJV)
( again a warning to judge righteously )
And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

(Judgement again is not taking vengeance)
Romans 14:10 (KJV)
But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

Romans 14:13 (KJV)
Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

(So again does a christian Judge? YES)

1 Cor. 2:15 (KJV)
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.


(Now Paul was told of a sex pervert in a church and Pauls response was judgemental)

1 Cor. 5:3 (KJV)
For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,

1 Cor. 5:12-13 (KJV)
For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? [13] But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

1 Cor. 6:2-5 (KJV)
Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? [3] Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? [4] If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church. [5] I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?


( Paul has established the truth “ real Christians are to Judge righteous Judgment even call people wicked and throw them out of church )

Are there Prophets today? They don’t add too the Word of God they just uphold it,, they are NOT fortune tellers,, they just tell the truth…

1 Cor. 14:29 (KJV)
Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.


So what is the words they speak
John 17:17 (KJV)
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Who is the truth?
John 8:32 (KJV)
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.


John 14:6 (KJV)
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


So whos words are truth? not a prophets only Jesus’ words

Who is the Word?
Matthew 4:4 (KJV)
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.


John 1:1 (KJV)
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14 (KJV)
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


A prophets words have no power,,, but Jesus is the Word .God is the Word,,,
And the

WORD is judging YOU xxxchurch..

The word is truth NO error in the authorized version…
And

XXX church the Word has POWER over you and your wickedness

Hebrews 4:12 (KJV)
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.


REPENT

Michaelmarkley@yahoo.com

In response to Johnny J

Sorry you have a hard time reading and understanding at the same time. At one time my wife was much Wiser and versed in Gods word than I am today. I’ve Tried to stay on my knee’s in Prayer, and found many times I had to go lower and lay face down to get an answer from God and I make sure I stay in his Fellowship.
I find it amazing out of all I have posted here, that all you read was one small part I posted to G3t0v3rit concerning a comment he/she made. As wolfgang put it “Astounding”.
I don’t undermined the weaker vessel. There are many women that are more spiritual than I am. Many have convictions about the way they dress, the way they speak and are careful not to look like Hollywood.
Johnny J I’m sure you would hate to be my wife, or even one of our 7 Children. 4 Girls and 3 Boys. Our first 4 Children are Girls, The Oldest is 27. I understand how they think, and have seen their emotions caused by certain events that happen in their lives. I am the Spiritual head of our Family and I am the one that will answer to God for the way I took care of them. My wife is a Christian and has no problem in obeying what I tell her, because it will be according to Scriptures, and if she thinks I am out of Place she lets me know according to Gods Word. I am sure you could not handle being part of our family because we have rules, and they are governed by Gods Word. Don’t ever think I Undermine Women. God put them here for a purpose. It's in the Bible.

Please read before you write. I do have other things to tend to besides answering misunderstood opinions.


Prayerfully Evangelist Tom Anderson
Streets of America Ministry
Ps 34:6

I no longer find this discussion to be edifying in any way shape or form towards our Lord Jesus Christ or towards the Christian Church.

I would strongly suggest to those who run this site to end this discussion before it becomes a stumbling block to the newly saved and the unsaved.

Wolfgang - Apparently you either have selective memory or your just plain ignorant of the scriptures (I say ignorant because you act as one who likes to think they seem to "know" the bible here).

The reality is Jesus and Paul both publicly rebuked false teachers and Pharisees. Yes, even our savior from time to time called Pharisees things like dogs, rotting corpses (tombs) and even insenuated at times that Pharisees were pigs. Paul goes so far in Philippians to point out that false teachers are "like that of dogs". So to sit here in your pious attitude and say we are being unloving well is just plain wrong.

As a matter of fact those who are on this site rebuking and warning others of XXXChurch's false doctrine and lies are more loving than you can probably ever imagine. For you see we love God and our fellow man SO much that we are willing to warn them that their very souls are in grave peril if they continue to live a life of sin and rebellion. We love others so much we are willing to go to great depths to flag them down to warn them to turn from their sins. As for your and your ilk you not very loving and kind. Although you like to think your loving and kind, the reality is your not very loving, but your actually hate God and your fellow man. For you see you apparently love sin and rebellion more so than your fellow man and yes ultimately more than God. Say all you will wolfgang, nut its your fruits that are speaking louder than anything your saying.

The odd thing is Wolfgang - you seem to be forgetting that the same God of the Old Testament is the same God incarnate in Jesus Christ! God demands his justice and moral law be upheld and never diminished. God is a good and benevolent Moral Governor and he will not tolerate men like you and those from XXXChurch.com in his Kingdom, who wish to mix the light with the darkness - you are lukewarm and God will spit you out. I suggest you reevaluate whom you love more XXXChurch or our Lord and Savior. Hate Sin, Repent, Love God, Be Holy! Its that simple!

man this forum has just gotten weird,,,
But what does it all mean Basil?

this is a good forum,, it has exposed the darkness to the light..
and this website has been emailed to scores of Christian festival promoters
Every denomination Imaginable, ,,and many major TV ministries,, even
major news agencies and news papers. Literally hundreds of emails have been sent..
They all have the opportunity to read our posts, I am sure there are those who are rallying
to the defense of XXX church right now, yet there will be others who care more for
the Lord..
michael

Its like a battle in the movie 300!! Man do I feel like a Spartan!!

lol.

John i know you're a sinner. I still love you. Not all of us can be so wonderful.

this is the longest comment thing I've ever seen. congrats john. lol.

love it.

oh wow....that was heated. Sometimes i get in some of those debates with the older ppl from our church.

he is from an older generation and i think we should respect him no matter his belief.

he is no different than me, than ppl who are living in sin, and those who are aren't. God does not love us or him any greater or lesser

i love jesus, and do my best to not sin. Grace and peace be with you all, and i love what you guys do. I LOVE YOU JESUS!

miguel

you have created a Idol,,
God does not let sinners into heaven,
they must repent...and overcome......
want to know who gets their name blotted out
of the book of life? it was in there then taken out..People who keep sinning,, God turns them over to a reprobate mind and the are sent to a devils hell....
(if a person keeps cussing at God,,would you think God will let him in a holy heaven?)
"how about a priest that is molesting young boys?"

Jesus is NOT unconditional love..
and your generation is not in some special time
that God will overlook sexual perverts... or any sin ,,,,
do you break the ten commandments? they were made in stone,,, and God will judge people by them,,,, if you are repent and stop sinning,, and walk in the grace that Jesus gives us to overcome...His Grace is giving us power to stop breaking the ten commandments and when we do we are free from the curse of the Law,,,

michael

Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

call me what you will.
I think there is just simply an implosion of theological doctrines at the heart of all this. keep talking doctrine, it's a worthy discussion. But that doesn't give you unlimited license to insult people. Presto N, you words were quite searing. I had only commented on what my impression was, and you go after me like John Wayne! I know these people must have wonderful families and church lives, but when met with something different they err towards being very stubborn.
Maybe I am wrong, but there is nothing that I am not redeemed from as long as I put my hope in the Lord.
Yet keep in mind that doctrines have not always been as pragmatic as needed. People like Huss, Galileo, Newton, Luther and other brilliant people of God come to mind.

michael, i will not continue to debate this matter because i will never change your mind nor will you change mine. Only God can do that. The only good thing that comes out of debates is nothing. So ill stop here now

and can someone please stop being immature and stop fighting. For goodness sakes...its time to do something else besides this

THIS... IS... SPARTA!!!

opps...

THIS,,,IS,,,SPARTA!!!,,,

My heart is so saddened by this. Another example of completely missing the point...

the Point is;

a church that has a 30 ft inflatable so called
christian male sex organ they use in witnessing
is wicked ,,, this is unbelievably evil..

and you people are too stupid and self righteous to see it...

you had xxxchurch at your alive festival do you know what they really are about?
look at the web site....they have made a 30 ft inflatable male sex organ they use in witnessing ...its there in a link,,for you to see,,,also a the walmart incident
right near you.... this website has been sent to many christian festivals and ministries
also news agency's hundreds of emails of the link below have been sent out
you should look at it and carefully decide if XXXchurch is what you want next year at alive festival ,you may not want to be part of the publicity

michael

Chris Strayer wrote:
alive fest...

Why are you sending this to us?

On Jul 21, 2008, at 7:10 PM, michael markley wrote:

> hello the 700 club did a show on them is this church ok>? they were at alive fest in ohio
>
> http://xxxchurch.com/blogs/interns/pornmobilecontroversythevideo.html

Might I suggest a 2 day truce on this issue for everyone involved so they might spend the time in prayer and reading their Bible before coming back here and debating in such a non-Christian manner.

I personally don't like hearing anyone call another person "stupid" and even more so between Christians.

I find it interesting that this who support XXXChurch on this forum have used little to no scripture to support their positions. It is because they are sadly ignorant of the Scriptures and want to say "Jesus Loves" them. Of course sinners love Jesus.........as long he never tells them what to do. Sodomites and Lesbians love Jesus too - as long as he never encroaches on their sinful activities. The truth is XXXChurch is all about promoting their message man-centered message. Note how no one ever mentions the gospel on any of their videos, other than Jesus "Loves You". But the gospel is NOT "Jesus Loves" you. Telling a sinner that Jesus loves them and expecting that to bring them to conviction is like stating the obvious. Paul says in Romans 1:18-20 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

So to tell sinners that God loves them is simply stating the obvious. People know from their conscience that when they sin they are betraying God's lovingkindness and justice.

you might want to save your breath...you aint going to change no ones mind nor will we....so call a quits

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Rick Hocutt (Tupelo, MS) replied to your post7 hours ago
Michael, dude calm down. For someone who is free from sin you seem to be pretty judgmental. Do you really think Jesus would come down on someone the way you are? We all sin, face it we're human.

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You calm down,,, I am not your dude..

Jesus rebuked many people so did the apostles..

your a liar " you don't know who sins or not in the world
the devil says everyone always sins....

I am a person ,, not a hu-man
I worship Jesus my Lord and God,,not hu-man kind...

God gave the world ten commandments to be judged by ,,,
you claim you sin,,, if you are breaking the ten commandments
REPENT
or a righteous Judge name Jesus will send you to a devils hell

if you think you can self righteously keep sinning your a hypocrite
the Good God that created all things is a righteous judge and does
not tolerate hypocrisy

XXXchurch comforts sinning perverts and makes fun of holiness,,, and does not lead people to the blood of Jesus that washes away sin
what danger is a message from a pron star and so-called christian porn puppet to children?
then witnessing with a inflatable sex object?

what danger? are you sending a message to children?

michael

My Jesus give me power to overcome!
John 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

I have the ten laws of God that are written in stone,,you will be judged by them if you are breaking them.....
receive the power of Jesus and overcome sin...walk in holiness
enter His grace! and GO from glory to glory,,, free from the Law
free from the curse of the Law............no longer under the LAW>


Ben Martin,you are a wicked reprobate,, to support XXX church and a inflatable male sex organ they use in witnessing... they also have porn puppet that did a video with Ron Jeremy too children telling them porn is for adults,,, this is a perverted dangerous church ,,

repentance from sin is STOPPING it....
when you twist 1; jn 1;5-22 into a
false doctrine that claims sex perverts and pedophiles will continue sinning
AND THEY ARE SAVED your a wicked person!

so according to your devilish teaching and one who walks in the LIGHT is
continually sinning and repenting and saved..
so who walks in darkness? people who stop sinning?
who walks in light? sodomites that repent everyday and keep up sodomy?

1 John 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

people who are deceived claim the blood or grace of Jesus covers their
continual sinning,,so GOD does not see them sinning...they have NO sin in God eyes..
1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

but people like you who walk in sin are luke warm you will be spewed out of Jesus's mouth,,
read your fate!

Revelation 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.


Ben Martin wrote:

I know Gods word is more powerful than me and XXX church and Satan, thats why I'm using God's word to rebuke you.
It states in the verse "If we claim to be without sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us", so surely the person who is being decieved is the person/people claiming to be without sin, to put bluntly, you. What you say, that you are without sin, that you do not sin any more, is AGAINST what is taught here, therefore against a biblical truth, therefore Mr Markley, just like the rest of us, you are imperfect and need to repent daily (as I do), not with an attitude of "Meh, I'll do it again", but with an attitude of, "This is wrong and is something I need to stop, God, please help me with this".
According to this verse, to say you are not a sinner is a lie.

everyone is born a sinner....but some find the narrow path to life,,,
NOTE the word "HAVE"
Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

it doesn't say ALL DO sin and FALL short of the glory

Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,



Paul was free from sin once he crucified the flesh...HE kept it that way...



tares are sinners who Hide in churches and brag
about sinning,, they say they are covered and any who says they don't sin is a liar..the devil loves it.... millions of professing sinners....


Paul says saints are NOT sinners...
Galatians 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

Paul overcome sinning and warned the Corinthians

1 Corinthians 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

so what do these reprobates DO?
they brag about sinning daily...

REPENT

You’re a smooth talker,, but its easy to stop you in your wicked tracks…
(No pointy headstocks please, or else I bring out the electric sander........)
>Ben Martin you and this wicked xxxchurch has NO power.....<

Scriptural fact..

1;Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Every person ever born besides Jesus has sinned,,,
This refutes your Idea I believe I have never sinned,,,
(Mr Markley, if you look inside your heart and your head, can you wholeheartedly say that you have NEVER)


.I have sinned and Jesus paid the price,,,
1 John 4:10 (KJV)
Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

People who stop sinning God loves,, ,people who keep sinning God destroys,, example a pedophile

WOW does Jesus destroy sinners? YES

2 Thes. 2:8 (KJV)
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Quote;
(you have said that I will be judged by the 10 commandments if I am breaking them however you are free from the law, presumably through Christ? Why did Christ come to earth, he came to RENEW the old covenant, he came to remove it from its place and replace it with a new one, a law of grace. How can I be judged by the old law when that law is no longer valid? Michael, I challenge you, do you believe in grace?)

This statement above shows your not under the guidance of the Holy Ghost…
“”Law of Grace,,,””” there is NO scripture that says that….
Grace is not law…and Law is not grace… its obvious you not walking in the light of truth
And its more than obvious you don’t understand salvation…
To put it simply when a person enters Christ’s covenant they are no longer part of this world
“ confounds you doesn’t it..? Well its not so simple for a blind man.,,,,

Let me explain it in terms a blind man should under stand “ of course if they can hear!

Under the old covenant Moses was gave one particular law concerning murder…it was even wrote in stone
“are you still following? This law permeated the world and is a curse to sinners who murder..
This should be easy as pie,, I hope you don’t faint….so murderers get punished in civil courts around the world….and Guest what???? A murderer gets sent to hell by Gods ten commandments
Still is happening today take a little trip to prison and well if you could see you would..

So what about Christ’s covenant?
OH my this could get harder, so please concentrate
( concerning the ten commandments law for stealing)
Civil court thief is caught stealing,,, Judge says five years or 50.000 dollar fine.
Thief has no money…
BUT another man in the court who is innocent and just says I will pay the price
This is a act of grace,,, Christ’s covenant,, thief cannot get himself out of this mess another man does it for him..
There is NO law of grace,, you cannot tell a judge you cannot put me in jail because there is a law on the books called a { law of Grace ) he would laugh you out of court and in Jail..
But some one can pay a fine and appease the court for some one else
happens all the time in civil court…. In God’s court it happened with the sacrifice of
Jesus on the cross,,, YOU didn’t do it,, HE did and did it freely for YOU..( Christ’s covenant)

( grace) sooooooooooo What?
When a car thief repents he tells a civil judge “he promises not to steal anymore cars“…
NOW if the thief is caught again stealing the Judge will make a choice to give him another chance
or turn him over to the prison to do time and pay the price…

In Gods judgments a repeat offender is also looked at,, ,its Gods judgment
If God peradventures he could give the thief another chance,, again Grace and payment made.. its Christ’s covenant
OR if the thief appears to God as a person who does not really want to stop stealing cars
God will turn him over to a reprobate mind… other wise a tare,, or hypocrite…
False teachers breed these people…..

They claim to be saved ,, like XXXchurch and you “Ben martin” and with great pride
“Smile” and say all Christians are only HU- Man and always continue sinning…
Proud as peacocks they are wrapped in sin tighter than bark on a tree

This is where is gets really good… you deceiver! One place everyone keep sinning only human next they stop…
Total dichotomy;
1;(I NEVER said that sex perverts and pedophiles will continue sinning and they are saved, they are not, and I have NEVER claimed they are, Michael, DO NOT PUT WORDS INTO MY MOUTH. I believe that anyone can be saved, they need to repent of their sin and yes, stop doing it,)

2;( If we sin (and we all do, we are human)
This is where the devil steps up to bat,,,,,, WE ALL DO>.. that’s a ball face lie…its almost funny,,,you don’t know who is doing what you just deceive with assumptions
(like the rest of us, you are imperfect and need to repent daily)
Here it is again a dichotomy.
(they need to repent of their sin and yes, stop doing it,)
Hahaha one place you say stop which in logic said person would no longer need to repent
In the next breath imperfect and repent daily

“This is great” a pot smoker stops smoking pot,, but must repent daily from smoking pot
I get your twist now… pot smoker keeps repenting and goes to heaven in a cloud of pot smoke…...

Well lets cut the chase,,,, your testimony is agreeing with XXXCHURCH and this devilish ministry..

So in your idealistic fantasy “Law of grace“,, Christians are marching thru a wonderful church full of converted sex perverts with a inflatable 30 ft christian male sex organ called wally the wiener,,,,,,
> what a wicked web one weaves when first one deceives<

I rebuke your foul spirit in Jesus’s name

REPENT

michael




Ben Martin wrote:

Michael, my Jesus has also given me the power to overcome, allow me to correct some mis-understandings on your part.
"people who are deceived claim the blood or grace of Jesus covers their
continual sinning,,so GOD does not see them sinning...they have NO sin in God eyes..
1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."
No, as disciples of Christ, we have been saved by the blood of Jesus Christ which means we have the CHOICE to repent from our sin. If we do that wholeheartedly and pursue Christ-likeness with our whole being, God looks at the process. If we sin (and we all do, we are human, not THE Son of God, yes we are sons of God but not God himself) and we do not repent of our sin, that is not right, that is against God's holy law, however if we sin and repent of that sin and rebuke ourselves for that sin and work with all we have in Christ to get away from that sin (porn, rape, paedophillia, burglary etc. etc.) God sees that and knows where our hearts are.
"I have the ten laws of God that are written in stone,,you will be judged by them if you are breaking them.....
receive the power of Jesus and overcome sin...walk in holiness
enter His grace! and GO from glory to glory,,, free from the Law
free from the curse of the Law............no longer under the LAW> "
What you have said here is a contradiction in itself, you have said that I will be judged by the 10 commandments if I am breaking them however you are free from the law, presumably through Christ? Why did Christ come to earth, he came to RENEW the old covenant, he came to remove it from its place and replace it with a new one, a law of grace. How can I be judged by the old law when that law is no longer valid? Michael, I challenge you, do you believe in grace?
Paul writes:
"For by Grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is a gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast"
Saved THROUGH FAITH. Not through works, not through being infalliable, through FAITH.
"when you twist 1; jn 1;5-22 into a
false doctrine that claims sex perverts and pedophiles will continue sinning
AND THEY ARE SAVED your a wicked person!"
Tell me where I said this? I am starting to see now that you are twisting my words quite viciously. I NEVER said that sex perverts and pedophiles will continue sinning and they are saved, they are not, and I have NEVER claimed they are, Michael, DO NOT PUT WORDS INTO MY MOUTH. I believe that anyone can be saved, they need to repent of their sin and yes, stop doing it, XXXchurch never tell people that it is OK to look at porn/be a pedophile etc. because you are saved, what they are saying is that because of the gift of grace through God's sacrifice of His only Son, you can no longer be trapped by sin, repentance is the key to salvation, and repentance is not a one off occurrence, it is a daily renewing of the heart.
Do you believe Paul was a sinner? How about John? Peter?
Peter lied did he not?
Mr Markley, if you look inside your heart and your head, can you wholeheartedly say that you have NEVER had a violent, angry, sexual, lustful, hateful thought? Can you tell me you have never lied? Not even just a little 'white' lie? If you can, then you are Christ himself. It is a biblical truth that the only man to have ever walked the earth and not be a sinner is Christ, God Himself.
No pointy headstocks please, or else I bring out the electric sander........

michael

thanks for showing everyone how a mature Christian should act. Thank you very much

now lets move on with our lives

Michaels exact words...
"we can stop all sinning by Grace and receive the power to stop sinning."
Yet you just said that you sin...how does that work exactly?
Your flip floppin like John Kerry in here.
Man would I love to talk to one person that knows you for real like your wife or a very very close friend as ask them if you EVER sin? If they were honest you know exactly what they would say.
And by the way thank you for calling people who are in here trying to get help with their porn addiction a pervert. Great way to persuade them to your side if that is where the real help is.

johnny thats not helping anyone
lets plz be mature

Johnny J

you need to study English or a least

Have sinned as apposed to DO sin...

yes it would be interesting for you to see me in person and know how I live,,,,

if you hung out long you would see in my street
ministry a flock of angry wolves that come running sometimes ,,scoffers who claim to be
preachers of Christ...bragging and boasting about sinning everyday.... one socalled berean
pastor when wild,,proclaiming if he murdered 5 men for this moment in time till the day he died
it could not effect his salvation....
when I asked do you commit sin now ,,he proclaimed yes daily,,, BIG baptist smile..
till I showed him..
1 JN 3;8
1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

what works are sinning everyday I asked?,,
doesn't that make you OF THE DEVIL?

if looks could Kill I would have been dead,,
the poor sinning pastor hated the air I breathed..


michael

sure he would fit in with you and XXXchurch

Those were valid points not meant to harm anyone...well maybe except for the John Kerry part of it:)

Anytime you are in the New England area give me a buzz, I would love to meet you in person and maybe sit down over a cup of joe and have a nice man to man diplomatic conversation with you. You know with out the whole getting in my face and rebuking me and all that crap:)
I really like these simile face things. They brighten up the mood in here.:)
Here you go Michael here is a simile ...:)

Isaiah 43:1-28 (GNT)
Wednesday
July 23, 2008

Let your Light Shine and Tell of God's Kindness and Mercy
Introduction
Isaiah 43:1-28: God describes how the people will escape exile in Babylonia and return to Judah. The most direct path back to Judah from Babylonia was through the desert. Such a journey would be dangerous, but the Lord promises to provide water in the desert.
Today's Scripture
1 Israel, the Lord who created you says, "Do not be afraid--I will save you. I have called you by name--you are mine. 2When you pass through deep waters, I will be with you; your troubles will not overwhelm you. When you pass through fire, you will not be burned; the hard trials that come will not hurt you. 3For I am the Lord your Go