Pornmobile Controversy: The Video...

Wow. I'm speechless.

First, I must say that I love that your guys' theology is so spot on. You seem to really understand the gospel and I love that.

However, there are some things I think you could improve on:
- No matter how strange the attacker is, it is important to treat them with respect. Eating while having this conversation, heck, eating while the other person isn't is a bit impolite.
- Also, busting out scripture should have been a little more obvious... like say, using a pocket bible!!! I mean, just show him where paul admits to being a sinner.

All that being said, this video is epic and I would really love to be a part of this ministry.

Wow... I can't believe he didn't partake of that delicious granola.

The man in the hat makes me think that a Christian has to be perfect and without sin.

I'm sorry you guys went through that.

Lol! These videos/debates always make me laugh. The whole granola thing was hilarious.

Sheesh I would not like to be that guy (I'm guessing his name is Michael?). One of the tiniest slip ups - one lie, one bad thought, one swear word - could probably cause him the worst guilt trip ever thought of if he honestly believes everything he said. Not to mention make him look like a hypocrite :P

I wonder if his wife would agree that he is now perfect like Jesus.... haha.

This response is from Michael

(I rebuke you wicked men! In the name of Jesus!)

even the 700 club is in on this supporting XXXchurch
I rebuked you Pat Roberson for supporting this evil…!

on 700 club..

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=6873303

Also “Thank Jesus” that the “way of the master radio” speaks out against this sick stuff…
the "way of the master" is against XXX church's dragging the church down and making it look bad, there is a blog on the way of the master,, radio where they say XXX church is real wrong..they show a video of XXXchurch's porn puppet and a porn producer Ron Jeremy telling children at a grocery store porn is not for children but is for adults,,, this is abomination check it out..

http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?title=1389981839&channel=1185329932


also it would not surprise me if Ron Jeremy is behind XXX church and has financed it...

I wonder why that guy was so offended?

In America, Porn is a part of every guys life (give or take a few) and alot of Womens lifes directly or indirectly. How do you reach them for Christ? How do you reach sinners that are so far from God that they think right is wrong and wrong is right? America has no clue about God, yet they think they do, they make up ideas of what God is like without knowing Him for themself... how do you reach an America in bondage to porn, masturbation, fornication, adultry, and sexual sins? Christians don't realize how big of a deal it is... God has called us to be holy and set apart to Him. So... if this organization XXXChurch.com is reaching them with the real message of Christ and his redeeming power to be set free from pron (and sin of course), then overall I think its doing a good service for the Kingdom of God. Let's remember, it's the Kingdom of God, not the Kingdom of Christians. Does God approve?

Oh my goodness, I have a slight smirk on my face because I know the feeling that these two XXXchurch guys were going through. But I also have this sickening stomach pain because the man 'going to war" on you guys is completely satisfied that he has done the will of God in rebuking y'all. It is sad to see people like him think that they do not sin, and think that in a changing world, ministries must in a way adapt to reach those that are lost. Sure your ways are unconventional, which is probably why you have been so successful in helping people with their pornography addictions. You have scripture to back up what you believe, but unfortunately you didn't have them on hand for this stubborn gentlemen or even if you did, he would not allow you to get more than five words in at a time. His Psalm 5:5 scripture about God hating all doers of iniquity, wow. His quote is accurate, but have you ever noticed the wrath of God all throughout the Old Testament. With Jesus' coming, death, and resurrection, we have been given a new Covenant in which we have been set free from death and destruction upon belief and confession of Jesus Christ. Therefore, that scripture reference of any reference about the Wrath of God from the Old Testament most likely cannot apply. Thank God for His mercy, because if or when this fellow gets to Heaven, he will have the hugest eye opening and possible embarrassing (if they have embarrassment there, probably not) moment of his life. Keep on keeping on dudes at XXXchurch. The devil will send things and people of all churches and walks of life to snag and destroy what he doesn't want to prosper and help God's children.

-Caleb

dude michael you need to get some new material. you've been writing the same messages for weeks now. come up with something new before you post anything else.

So, all these posts are good and all, but the opposers to Michael Markle are showing very little to no scripture to combat him with...
Intead of being sarcastic, maybe we should correct him with scipture.... That would work a lot better than anything else you guys are doing...
besides! IT would encourage yo to search ou t the scripture which you holdast to, it woldprovide you with a beter anchor to your faith. v

: )

Wow, like i think what you guys are doing is awesome! Maybe try with abit less attitude next time bro lol but hey whatevs hehe.

But yeah like i just dont get these people, do they think they are perfect? and always were?

i reckon Judah Smith has put in so well in saying that Purity (and basically just your relationship with Jesus in a whole) is not a point but a process. We'll never be completyley from sin, the only thing we can do is believe in Gods power to save us from it and just continuously be running after God and away from the devil.

Keep it up fellas!

Also, even tho i know you never will but just for some encouragment and support.

Never stop saying stuff like "No.1 Xtian Pornsite" cos thats what made me come to ur qwebsite in the first place thinking that i was gonna get porn, wasnt i shocked! haha. And you have helped me so much now!!!

so yeah dont listen to anybody like that, keep being outrageous!

Have you ever realized that people of his generation are really into the word abomination? It is like their secret weapon of some kind. I have asked a few what it means to try to figure out why they drop that word and many think it means that you are going to hell. It actully means hatred or disgust for something. I have an abomination for brussel sprouts. But you really knew the guy was clueless when he said he would not shake hands with a sinner. The truth is, Jesus doesn't just shake hands with sinners, He embraces us all in our struggle with sin.

iamemo made a good point but one that was already thought through. He said that we should combat Michael Markely with scripture. But as we have all seen that he takes every piece of scripture out of context. Even if we tried to use a verse he wouldn't understand it. The only way, in my opinion, to combat a person like him is to show him through his own misunderstanding how he is not making sense. Michael Markely has some pretty screwed up beliefs on what being a Christian is. It seems that he has these beliefs because he is not grounded in a strong bible believing church. It says on his website that he has lived in a motor home for most of his life, which leads me to believe that he has no one to hold him accountable for the thoughts he is having. He comes up with these random principles that aren't by thinking he is understading what the bible is saying and then has no one to talk them out with because he travels all over the country playing in a different town each night.
So it did dawn on me that I should be rebutting with scripture but he never listened to anyone when they told him a verse. Plus Jesus didnt have a bible to quote from:) I only wish I could have the knowledge to handle people like Jesus did.
But I'm done conversing with Michael Markley now.

I laughed... Hard... People like these always seem to dig themselves in deeper. +10 man points guys for staying cool under pressure.

You guys rock. I know in the weakness of my flesh, i would have been sorely tempted to tear into verbally.

What is that lyric that Metallica sings: "Ignorance and arrogance go hand in hand."

With guys like these, you can't convince him of anything, so I don't even try anymore. They're right, you're wrong. Unfortunately, they are really lonely people, and they think everyone else is screwed up, because there the ones who have problems making friends.

I think he would hate Philip Yancey's "What so Amazing about Grace".

I am rather confused about how anyone on here can judge the man for his opinion and character. I understand what he is saying about the car wrap. if anyone listen to him they would understand that his main complaint was that xxxchurch.com appears to an insult to Christ to those who don't know about the site or who never check it out. I'm sure if my Mother saw the car she wouldn't go and check it out but would shake her head at what she assumes it to be about.

xxxchurch is a great site with a great mission to group of people who are in pain and despair. The drivers of the car need to be more understanding of those and I might be wrong here but more with the elderly who see it as offensive.

Please understand that most Christians and Most Elderly would never ever go to a site that has the words church and porn together. I would think it is safe to say a high percent of elderly Christians would never even check out a site with the word porn associate with it.

This gentleman Michael strikes me as a hardcore church goer the type that does everything he can for his local Church and like most of us got up on his soapbox for the right reasons but when faced with a camera and a young man who was unable to speak to him without stuffing his face or trying to be "smarter" then he found might of went a little too far.

The offer to shake his hand at the end was condescending and I understand Michael not shaking hands. There is a camera in his face and not knowing how the video could be used I would assume Michael preferred not to have a image of him shaking hands with someone who might in his eyes be up to evil.

XXX church's inflatable christian male sex organ

you people are WICKED repent


http://www.alittleleaven.com/2008/01/wally-the-weine.html

Imagine showing up to church next sunday and finding a 30 foot high erect phallus on top of your church or in the church parking lot announcing a sermon series on Pornography. "Absurd and ridiculous", you say. "No Christian Church or Ministry would ever resort to something as shameful as a giant phallus", you say. Sadly, you'd be wrong. (Warning: Explicit Link)
According to Wally's Website:
Mike and Craig of XXXchurch dreamed up the idea of Wally one afternoon in sunny southern California. XXXchurch exists to bring awareness, openness, accountability and recovery to the church, society and individuals in the issues of pornography and to begin to provide solutions through non-judgmental and creative means.

Blah...

Michael, you should probably forgive us all for offending you. After all, Christ forgave us. I'm being serious and not trying to be snide.

I don't think there is anything wrong with XXXChurch ministry. I believe the team is genuinely helping further the Kingdom of God. If you've taken offense, as it seems you have, the bible commands you to forgive us.

Matthew 6:14 “For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."

For your own sake, please find forgiveness. Check out the parable of the Unforgiving Servant: Matt 18:21-35

May I share something? I know we are to be completely whole in Christ, and not only accept Him, but walk with Him and be like Him! I sin, do I like it? Do I feel that I'm going to hell for it? If that was the case, then millions of Christians would be so guilty, so shameful, so full of hate and fear that they would not understand the grace of Jesus' love on the cross. That is the reason why I can go down on my knees and ask Him to forgive me, and continue to change my mind, heart, spirit, soul and everything else.
I have a few questions? Did Moses sin? Did Abraham? David? What about Jesus' disciples? What about the one the cut the ear of a temple guard, and denied Christ? How about all the imperfect people that not only society and the church reject, but are considered the scum of the Earth.....why does Jesus save them? I know quite a few people, including family members...We are too understand Scripture, and it says "only ONE without sin!" Jesus, but us His followers, those who love Him have to resist temptation, give death to the "old man" and so we have struggles just like everyone since Adam and Eve....please let us listen more, and argue less! I love you no matter what guys from xxxchurch, and that gentleman (I know he means well)...but this is what gets us so called "Christians" a bad rep! In the name of Jesus, your brother in the narrow path....
JP

You should have taken him to I John 1:8-10

"If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us."

My heart is for you guys. I really believe he is overly self-righteous , i really respect you guys for keeping your cool out there when that man is just throwing verses at you.

Michael,

I agree with you about xxx church and I consider their methods to be sinful.

By the way, I have a prayer list of 340 people in the porn industry that I'm praying for their salvation.

Barry Bowen
Christian Headlines

I worry about these two young men and What I am about to write is not a Self Righteous attitude so please don't see it that way.
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There are Several Problems with this Ministry that has evolved here. Is this a New Testament Church? NO. There is a Problem when someone is called Pastor and has no Flock. Where was this Pastor Ordained? Where is their Statement of Faith? 2 Young Men that Travel around in a Van does not constitute a Church. This Could be called a Ministry and the 2 young men be Missionaries thus calling their ministry XXXMinistry, but they would then have to be sent out from a Local Church somewhere with the Ordained Authority to do so.
These Young men could possibly be doing what many are doing today using Christianity and Young Christians to Fill their coffers or Pockets with Money to enjoy this UNGODLY life Style they say they are against. Paul the Apostle said in 1Co 14:40 Let all things be done decently and in order.(KJV) Anyone can call themselves a Pastor or Missionary or Evangelist, but the real Question is did GOD call you personally into that position. God has called every Christian to Preach against Sin, and if the Ministry was truly GOD Called and SPIRIT Filled the people at the PORNO Shows would not like what GOD says through his servents and they would have thrown you out of their Congrigation or Place of Worship as they did Jesus Christ when Speaking to just the Religious crowed in Lu 4: 28 And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath,
29 And rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong. If those that you are Preaching to inside the PORNO Places Love you then you need to check yourself on what your saying. The GOSPEL of Jesus Christ is Offensive to those that want to live in SIN and you will Spark up Controversy. Paul the Apostle told Timothy a young Preacher in 2Ti 4:1 ¶ I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.(KJV)
Ministries Can only be made Full Proof if they are God Called.
Unfortunately many People think they can profess themselves as a Christian and tackle the big Sinful pictures in life such as Porn, but I believe these young men need to be Honest with them self about the effect it is having on them. The Bible clearly states in 1Thessalonians 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.(KJV) Also I heard this is an Internet Church which makes it impossible to Physically Exist. It was said that in 2009 that they would be setting up a Church in Sin City, Las Vegas Nevada. There is a Man in the Bible named Lot, and the Bible Says 2:7 ¶ And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
2Pe 2:8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;)(KJV)
Lots Problem was he first Pitched his tent toward Sodom, and Remember The Bible says he had a righteous soul but he VEXED it. Lot lost his Wife because she Turned back and looked at the destruction of Sodom when she was told not to, and she turned into a pillar of salt. Lots mind was so twisted in such a way when the Angels first walked through the City and came to where Lot lived they went inside his home and the Sodomites came knocking after that and wanted Lot to give the (Men) Angels over to them so they could Rape them and do what ever was pleasing in their eyes, and Lots mind was so Corrupted that he offered the Men of Sodom his Own Virgin Daughters in place of the Angels. Living in Sodom to Preach the Gospel will not last long before you are Tossed Out by them or Yoked Up with them. How many will fall in their own lust, and How long will it Take?

Prayerfully-Evangelist Tom Anderson
Streets of America Ministry

there are many web links to this trash..
what a way for Ron Jeremy to attract attention..
just think Ron Jeremys listens to gospel music,
( he claims ) what a way for Ron Jeremy
to beat porn laws if its christian and he establishes a church in Vegas...what if XXXchurch is a creation of Ron Jeremy and the
700 club and God tube and
Christianity today mag..with many other socalled christian organizations supporting Him,,, think about it,, religious freedom to promote porn,,,, what a twist,,,, like anti-smoking campaigns created by big tobacco companies,,,,

wrestling match between craig gross and ron jeremy link below


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK2QruDpWRk

here is a link to TBN supporting this wicked church

http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?title=1243521032&channel=1185329932

Craig Gorss and Ron Jeremy...I dont know if you have been following this whole debate in here . I bet maybe someone could have shown you this or you could have heard about it from someone...but to Craig, through what you have established here, XXXChurch and this whole ministry, I thank you personally. I thank you personally for helping me get through my addiction to porn and helping me realize how destructive it is in a marriage let alone a personal walk with God. I thank you that you trust God through all the criticism heaped upon you from people who do not know or care what others are going through. I can not judge whether these people that criticize you in the name of God are true Christians. Only God will judge them at the gates of heaven...but what I can do is say thank you Craig Gross and the XXXChurch Ministries.

To Ron Jeremy...your name is getting thrown around in here like you are a person that doesn't have feelings or someone is that is the scum of the earth for the profession you choose to take.
As a Christian man I want to apologize for these people that claim to be Christians. Jesus would have befriended you in a heart beat because that is just what he did. I absolutely cherish the friendship that you have with Craig and XXXChurch.

To this last comment that was written...I am only responding to it because its not Michael Markley who wrote it...Please read through the XXXChurch website before you go name this ministry in the likes of Lot going to Sodom. Read about the lives that are being touched and changed. Read about the welcome they receive at the porn shows because they are the only light shinning in a very very dark place. You said that you "Heard that its an internet church" well read for yourself about how they plan to start a church in probably the darkest place in this country. I dont know if you have ever been to the Las Vegas Strip or not but it is an extremely dark place that needs the light of God. People need to see that what goes on there will affect the rest of their lives...it doesnt just stay in Vegas. I find it amazing that people think its appalling how this ministry attracts people. Bottom line is they are getting people away from porn and into a relationship with Jesus Christ or at least some help dealing with a difficult subject.

Why do so many people have a problem with other people making a difference in the kingdom of God?? Does God have to fit in a tiny little box in order to help people? The most frustrating thing about debating with people in here is the fact that we all want to see people go to heaven with us...so what does it matter by what method they arrive there with us. Obvisouly its what they needed to see that God loves them and wants the best for them. People are getting help and salvation from XXXChurch...Why is that BAD?

whats next? inflatable nude christian children to attract pedophiles?
you XXXchurch people are so arrogant your blind as bats.

http://galatiansc4v16.wordpress.com/2008/01/18/wally-the-wiener-oh-come-on-now/

lets see what others say about your XXXchurch inflatable male sex organ
(you are wicked and evil men who retend to be christians)

REPENT!


Matt on January 18, 2008

That’s horrible.. I seriously can’t believe they would resort to that to get attention. Porn is a huge problem, and I am glad when people do take a stand against it. However, like you said, we need to take it back to the cross of Christ.

But come on people… why potentially cause some of your brothers to stumble in order to get them to take a look at the issue (no pun intended). Ridiculous.

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Timm on January 18, 2008

I’m actually speechless…..

I just blogged about Pete the Porno Puppet my self, but this…. I don’t even know what to say. That’s disgusting.

I’m all for talking about the issues surrounding pornography, but this is too far.

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Neil on January 18, 2008

This is stupid on at least a couple levels. It is so bizarre that it makes you wonder if a fraud infiltrated the church for the sole reason of making it look stupid. Wow.

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barefootinthepark on January 18, 2008

ugghhh…when there are just so many things wrong, it’s hard to know where to start…..this is what happens when you buy into the philosophy that the church must use worldly means to lure people to “church”….there are no lines and anything goes….it’s all in the name of “helping people”, “doing good” and “bringing people close to God”….

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Loving The Word on January 19, 2008

I feel like puking right now. What next? Bubbles the Boobs? Women have issues within the porn industry too. Can’t wait to see what they come up with to encourage women to be more modest lest they continue to stumble men while in their endeavor to protect their wally’s.

I am so disgusted by this. I think I just need to go take a shower and fast and pray or something. What?
I am so sorry that this XXX ministry (What ever they are) has represented you in such a filthy and repulsive way
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galatiansc4v16 on January 21, 2008

Quintin you make some good points.

One thing that I have noticed is the hypocrisy in using Wally to protest the use of sexual images in commercials. Hello? Isn’t that what Wally is doing; using a sexual image to promote your cause?
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Shock Jock Preaching « GalatiansC4V16 on January 21, 2008

[...] don’t need Wally The Weiner and “The Other F-Word” to shock people into reading the Word. It is the Word of God and [...]

I will Respond to the ignorance that came from G3t0v3rit.
I am sure you have a Name but would not want anyone to know it. Embarrassed to Speak out as a real Person. My Point concerning internet churches who serve internet gods and get everyone caught up in their WEB while pulling out their wallets to put in unmanaged coffers.
Isa 59:1 ¶ Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
3 For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness.
4 None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity.
5 They hatch cockatrice' eggs, and weave the spider's web: he that eateth of their eggs dieth, and that which is crushed breaketh out into a viper.(KJV)

First of all, there is nothing Christian about what is being Presented with XXXchurch.com. I can tell by how you responded to what I wrote that you understood nothing about what I Said. You can Not do anything for God unless it is Ordained of God. The Bible says in John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you..(KJV)

From What I have seen so far and Heard so Far is a Perverted excuse to get Money to live in a place they can‘t handle. As I said before in my last posting is The TRUE Churches of GOD are Ordained of GOD and Sent by GOD. Please don’t speak about the endorsement of the 700 Club because they are always looking for something to get noticed for. They came to our Town Wanting to interview our Preaching Situation and we RAN THEM OFF. They are looking to promote themselves not GOD or our Lord Jesus Christ.
Concerning XXXchurch.com it is not Spiritual Minded nor do I hear about Jesus Christ in their message (What is their message), and instead of lifting up their inflated Phallic Symbol they should lift up a Giant Picture of Jesus Christ Hanging on the Cross wearing the Crown of Thorns on his head with Blood dripping Down his Face and Body. That’s the Gospel we Preach just as Paul the Apostle said in
1. ¶ Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2. By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4. And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
5. And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
6. After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.

You Speak that Jesus would embrace them in Sin City and you are Wrong. According to the Scriptures Jesus Christ is GOD manifest in the Flesh in
1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.(KJV)
God has always Condemned Sin and Sinners would either Get Right with God or Get Mad at God. How many times have these so called Christians Preached Repentance?. I am seeing the Scripture in

Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
(KJV)

I have been Preaching on the Streets of our Country since 1984, and I have seen God move in the Hearts of the People of America, and you have to understand the bible says in
Pr 27:5 ¶ Open rebuke is better than secret love.
(KJV)
2Ti 4:1 ¶ I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2. Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4. And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
We don’t need Puppet Shows, and giant Porno symbols, We need Preaching. God will Bless the Work if it is done HIS way, Not Ours.

XXXchuch.com and it’s Tactics for what ever they are doing will be Judged as any other Ministry will be Judged, and the intent of their hearts will stand at the Great White Throne Judgment along with the other so-called Christians that stood beside them in their lasciviousness. Conversion or Perversion! What is the message?
God Said PREACH!
This is what we are looking at Today when so-Called Christians say they are doing great things for God.
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Col 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
(KJV)

Prayerfully Evangelist Tom Anderson
Streets of America

the only mental picture I get when conversing with both Michael Markely and Tom Anderson is...
Bullhorn guy. Nobody like to listen to bullhorn guy...

In response to G3t0v3rit. Your ignorance of Gods word and showing your adolescence has caused you to resort to name calling. God commands we lift up our Voice like a Trumpet or as you said Bullhorn.
Isa 58:1 ¶ Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.
(KJV)
Your resentment to Bullhorns or Street Preachers shows your Spiritual condition and why you are the way you are. I Will Pray for your Salvation if you really exist.

I have been checking out this site as to have an honest report before God, and this is simply a reformatory for Porn addicts, who are NOT Christians. I have heard the testimonies of the afflicted and hear nothing about Jesus Christ and His Glory. What I have seen is this So-Called Church has condemned Pastors as having dirty little secrets, and the Churches of today being Boring and Traditional. Jesus said in
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
(KJV)
Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
(KJV)
I have also heard this so called Pastor and the perverted translation of what ever he is reading say it was the Bible he was reading from. He has no Bible as he has no church as he is not Christ like and you follow with him as a blind man to his final resting place not knowing where it is and when it will come. You need to wake up before it’s too late. I have given you Scripture and you have given me ?.
I am still exploring this XXXchurch.com and maybe I will see something good but not Spiritual.

Prayerfully Evangelist Tom Anderson (Bullhorn)
Streets of America Ministry
Ps 34:6

there is obviously nothing I can say that will change your mind about the people of XXXChurch. Im sorry that you have to be so closed minded. Have a great time preaching the word of God as you see it on the random street corners annoying the passerbys. I think Im going to go and pour into the ministries at my local church and actually make a difference in peoples lives.
Have a wonderful life with your bullhorn:)

Amazing that hatred that is posted here. If everyone on here is supposed to be Christian and who's may goal is to put forth the Glory of God than I am afraid everyone has failed.

It is okay to disagree and to debate but why the name calling or statements that haven't been proved to be true.

You folks wonder why Christians are viewed as liars and nimrods. Come on folks disagree but do so with Christian love and not worldly hatred

Kermit, you are right. Michael Markely and Tom Anderson...I apologize if I have offended you in any way. It is not my goal to demean you in any way. I was not showing the love of Christ in these discussions...Again, I apologize and it will not happen again.
I apologize to everyone else that is reading this.

I don't receive your apology because your a liar and don't mean it,,,you don't have any love for christ and display a 30ft inflatable socalled christian male sex organ,
you are truly satanic, and hate Jesus..

REPENT

michael

I can read into G3t0v3rit wording that you are a Female also you are a follower and not a leader. This is not said to make you mad or insult you.

Another Word to you, and let me state it as Paul the Apostle said in letting me speek as a fool for a moment. I am not just a Street Preacher, and I have never used a Bullhorn.
I have also Preached in Churches all around this Country in Revival meetings and Tent Meetings.
I am no Novice so please don't count what I have been saying as my opinion. I have used Scripture and never once took it out of Context and made it a PreText.

It always amazes me how the generations of Now and the Generation of Christ differ. Who Changed? Why the Change? What has this Change done to Society.
We understand God did not Change according to
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
(KJV)
Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
(KJV)

God is still the Same, His Word is still the same though many have written other Versions of the Bible and tried to Pervert it. It seems everyone in this New Generation feels they can Invent a Ministry and Call it a Church. The only Non Tangible Church is the Spiritual Body of Believers. Every other Church has a Solid Foundation if it is a True Bible believing Church. Paul the Apostle told the Young Preacher named Timothy in
1Tim 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.(KJV) This is a Physical Church not Spiritual or Internet.

God has not changed his ways and what Jesus Christ said then still applies today. We have been Charged to Preach the GOSPEL not reform the addict.
From what has been displayed on the XXXchuch.com Website is Getting PORN addicts to stop their addiction through vulgar means God would never condone such as the inflatable Phallic symbol. You can reform a Porn Addict and what do you have? A Lost Reformed Sinner. If you are going to Reform People who are addicts, what about the Drug Addicts, Drunks, Sodomites or what is known today as Gay. XXXchurch.com embraces the Gay Life Style so that’s out of the Picture. Christians are not Normally in the PORN shops. The individuals in Porn Shops are usually people who don’t care if you see them or not because they have no reputation or Conviction as a True Christian.

God has called Preachers to Preach the Gospel with Sinners being Saved through the Blood of Jesus Christ by His Word.
Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
(KJV)

A true Christian with an addiction will always have Holy Spirit Conviction that he is being watched and is not getting away with anything.

This XXXchurch is a Reformatory for Lost Sinners Not Sinning Christians. Many of the people say they are Christians and could not tell you how they became one or when this New Birth took Place. Where is the Happy Glory to GOD excitement from these Reformed Christians.
Burning your Porn In Public does not make you right with GOD it makes you right with yourself Morally and only lasts a short time before you are right back at it again. The Videos have Proven much of what I am Saying concerning Reformed Christians VS Reformed Lost Sinners.

Prayerfully Evangelist Tom Anderson (Bullhorn)
Streets of America Ministry
Ps 34:6

Evangelist Tom Anderson, have you ever looked at porn?

Well Evangelist Tom Anderson...you are erroneous on both counts. I am not a female and I am a leader. I cannot disagree with you more on everything you "preach" about. You have a very warped sence of what a true Christian is and I really feel sorry for you. The way you talk to people in places like this and on the street is in such an authoritative tone. Why do you feel you are so much "higher" than everybody else or have such a vast knowledge of God that nobody else has? As we have been through with Michael Markely...God does not talk down to people...he loves them.
So this is what I am going to do. I am going to go and try and get other people to come to a real church with me. Not some random festival or street corner, and make an impact in their life by doing life with them. I have a friend who is addicted to porn and I am going to show him XXXChurch in hopes that he uses it as a TOOL to become free of porn. Not to worship being addicted to porn as you have implied.
But just so we are clear...you have not won. I am not changing my focus because you have made any sort of valid point. In fact, you are doing nothing more than ranting and raving, just like our other com padre. I am changing my focus because I realize that I am wasting to much time in this forum bickering with people that won't change who I am and who I am not going to change.
I pray that both you and Michael Markley find some sort of peace in your life and find that God works in crazy ways, not just the ways you want him to work.
Peace Out

Amazing! G3t0v3rit You still sound like a female, Sorry Please Lead on!
You also keep putting me in with michaelmarkley whom I do not know and have never met. If you don’t like him and he Preaches the same Bible I Preach and sees this Web Site as wrong then I will invite him to my table for Conversation. I believe you like Porn and that’s the real reason you get offended at Real Preachers of God. Nevertheless let me continue on.

It’s amazing how G3t0v3rit hears ranting and Raving when non has taken Place. I have stated Scripture when he has stated none. G3t0v3rit you seem frustrated because you know you have never been Truly Saved or at least it sounds that way. You keep setting me Primarily as a Street Preacher, and you seem to have a Problem with that. Read your History about our Great Christian Reformers who Preached their message on the Streets and made a great Difference and God Blessed them for it. They did not hold up Giant inflatable Phallic Symbols and have puppet Shows. The Sinners that opposed them in that day sounded like you because they loved this present evil world.
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I have an answer to Robbie’s Question.

Before I got Saved (Born Again) Washed in the Blood of the Lord Jesus Christ, I not only looked at Porn but I would have cut your head off and Spit down your Neck for fun.
I hung with a Gang that cared nothing about God or his Word, But Because of Street Preachers being Faithful to Preach, and Preachers who were not afraid of me or the Devil being Faithful to knock on my Door and invite me to Church is why I am Saved Today.
It takes a real Christians with Guts to Preach the Truth on the Streets Outside the Bar Rooms And whore Houses. I thank God for Men that will Stick by the Truth and not compromise their convictions.
It is plain to see the perverseness in the ideas of the Pastors in this Porno Church.
You can only get Addicted to that which you keep indulging in. I am addicted to the Preaching of Gods Word and the Ministry.
The Bible says in
1Co 16:15 I beseech you, brethren, (ye know the house of Stephanas, that it is the firstfruits of Achaia, and that they have addicted themselves to the ministry of the saints,)
(KJV)

Brother Anderson is just a sinner saved by Grace according to
Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
(KJV)

It’s your life and your soul to do with as you please. You don’t get saved when you want to. There has to be conviction and a Drawing by the Holy Ghost of God.
John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
(KJV)
Salvation is not you knowing God, It’s God Knowing you.

Lu 13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

I pray you all wake up before it’s too Late.

Prayerfully Evangelist Tom Anderson
Streets of America Ministry
Ps 34:6

G3t0v3rit - Tom Anderson is right! PREACH NOTHING BUT CHRIST CRUCIFIED! You and this ministry are more concerned about being man-pleasers rather than God-Fearers! I hear nothing from your ministry about a message of "repent for the Kingdom of God is near". Instead I see you promoting a false doctrine that has the "appearance" of holiness but yet it lacks conviction and repentance. The "God of Love" you like to preach is the SAME God that will send every porn star, sodomite and pervert to Hell. God is Righteous and Just and he would be wrong for allowing any of these folks into his eternal kingdom. Repent of this filth and truly love God. Jesus said: THOSE WHO LOVE ME WILL OBEY MY COMMANDMENTS - now just what part of LOVE AND OBEY don't you folks seemto get???

For the record I don’t know Tom Anderson or anyone who is posting here against XXXchurch
I do agree with Him and others that this ministry is “not of God“
What I see happening at XXXchurch is they have flagrantly insulted Jesus and His Church.
It has worked to gather people together in a common cause that XXXchurch can benefit from..
What do I mean? something like this,, they trash Jesus then when they get rebuked for it
they use that to rally people and give them something to fight against, porn addicted people
have sympathy on XXX church who they see as loving them regardless of their rebellious sexual sinning.
People who are in direct rebellion against God unite when they cry “we have been attacked”
it gives them a common enemy and XXX church benefits financially from people who take sides with them.. So the shock degradation in XXX church’s methods makes real Christians upset and that conveniently gives them a enemy to fight and unite against,, its cultish and devilish
There is No love for Jesus in XXXchurch.com that’s why I refused to shake hands with the man in the video,,,
(fact) Loving Jesus is not a inflatable male sex organ…its hating Jesus!.
That fact alone proves that they are wolves in sheep’s clothing
Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

XXXchurch becomes wicked instead of being delivered from it, turns the church into the appearance
of a pornographic church instead of being a Light unto the world
..XXXchurch has created a Idol and call it Jesus,,,,
(what did Jesus say? There will be many false Christ’s arise) .
XXXchurch claims the Jesus they have is unconditional love
even for porn stars who continue what XXXchurch has called a profession

Now read the truth and repent you wicked men!

2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;)
9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
( read about Yourself XXXchurch)
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

In your own words XXX church you condemn your selves,,,I quote ; WE SIN ALMOST DAILY !

for michael markley:
first of all, you are incredible. you are consistently the most hateful person i have ever encountered. consistently. not an ounce of love in you. it is fantastic.

seconly,,, why do you,,, put,,, three commas,,, all the time??? does that,,, represent,,, the trinity or something?
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Hello Michael and thanks for the email. Are you the one doing the rebuking in the video? If so, Praise God! They need a rebuke. Although they may do some good in helping people get out of porn, this group does much more bad. They need to Repent! The Lord bless you...

In Christ,

Evangelist Kerrigan Skelly

Astounding
This is still going on
I had thought for certain this ended weeks ago.

There exists a human dillema when confronting evil. The nature of evil is to destroy and kill. Yet what do we wish to do to evil? destroy it. kill it.

Its through Christ alone that evil can be destroyed. Paradox: he let evil have its way with him on the cross and in hell. He suffered for our sins.

Now to get up and scream, holler and windbag at people that they are of the devil seems to counter the way Christ dealt with evil: with humility, suffering and grace.

I will not keep it secret that I find the "rebukes" of people like Michael Markely offensive and in a way... evil. This quickness towards anger found in these many, many "rebukes" maligns the spirit of grace, humility and love the Lord commanded us to have. It is defiance towards the friendship God ordained between gentile, Jew, clean, unclean, male, female...The bottom line is that preaching in such a manner that acknowledges someone as less than a child of God is...(fill in the blank)

I am not holier than thou. I just have to speak on my opinion...

wow Tom Anderson Evangelist...I sure would hate to be your wife or one of your daughters with the way you automatically assume someone with possibly less scripture knowledge than you is a girl.
Way to go at being a dominating man.
I mean no offense G3t0v3rit...

Hebrews 13:4 (KJV)
Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.


This is the NT read it……….

Jesus has a judgmental side..
Mark 11:15-18 (KJV)
And they come to Jerusalem: and Jesus went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves; [16] And would not suffer that any man should carry any vessel through the temple. [17] And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves. [18] And the scribes and chief priests heard it, and sought how they might destroy him: for they feared him, because all the people was astonished at his doctrine.


Matthew 13:41 (KJV)
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;


Rev. 14:14-20 (KJV)
And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. [15] And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. [16] And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped. [17] And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. [18] And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. [19] And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. [20] And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.


Rev. 15:4 (KJV)
Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.


Rev. 16:1 (KJV)
And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.


Rev. 16:7-9 (KJV)
And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments. [8] And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. [9] And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.


Rev. 21:6-8 (KJV)
And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. [7] He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. [8] But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.


( Now what about Judgment by Christians?

Christians are suppose to Judge but be living right when they do
Matthew 7:1-2 (KJV)
Judge not, that ye be not judged. [2] For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

John 7:24 (KJV)
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

This is not a Judgement of vengeance that Christians judge its judging fruit and using that to reprove wicked people…

Jesus’s Judgment is vengeance.. Its His honor,,,He gave it to Samson once but not to the church,,
Jesus will destroy His enemies with vengeance

2 Thes. 1:8 (KJV)
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Psalm 94:1 (KJV)
O Lord God, to whom vengeance belongeth; O God, to whom vengeance belongeth, shew thyself.
Psalm 149:7 (KJV)
To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people;


Jesus is not unconditional love,,,Jesus will hate and destroy wicked people

Hebrews 10:30 (KJV)
For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

Jude 1:7 (KJV)
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.


Jesus is going to put these people into eternal fire….. a devils hell...


So what about Christians judging?
Acts 16:15 (KJV)
And when she was baptized, and her household, she besought us, saying, If ye have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house, and abide there. And she constrained us.


Romans 2:3 (KJV)
( again a warning to judge righteously )
And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

(Judgement again is not taking vengeance)
Romans 14:10 (KJV)
But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

Romans 14:13 (KJV)
Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

(So again does a christian Judge? YES)

1 Cor. 2:15 (KJV)
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.


(Now Paul was told of a sex pervert in a church and Pauls response was judgemental)

1 Cor. 5:3 (KJV)
For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,

1 Cor. 5:12-13 (KJV)
For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? [13] But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

1 Cor. 6:2-5 (KJV)
Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? [3] Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? [4] If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church. [5] I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?


( Paul has established the truth “ real Christians are to Judge righteous Judgment even call people wicked and throw them out of church )

Are there Prophets today? They don’t add too the Word of God they just uphold it,, they are NOT fortune tellers,, they just tell the truth…

1 Cor. 14:29 (KJV)
Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.


So what is the words they speak
John 17:17 (KJV)
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Who is the truth?
John 8:32 (KJV)
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.


John 14:6 (KJV)
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


So whos words are truth? not a prophets only Jesus’ words

Who is the Word?
Matthew 4:4 (KJV)
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.


John 1:1 (KJV)
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14 (KJV)
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


A prophets words have no power,,, but Jesus is the Word .God is the Word,,,
And the

WORD is judging YOU xxxchurch..

The word is truth NO error in the authorized version…
And

XXX church the Word has POWER over you and your wickedness

Hebrews 4:12 (KJV)
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.


REPENT

Michaelmarkley@yahoo.com

In response to Johnny J

Sorry you have a hard time reading and understanding at the same time. At one time my wife was much Wiser and versed in Gods word than I am today. I’ve Tried to stay on my knee’s in Prayer, and found many times I had to go lower and lay face down to get an answer from God and I make sure I stay in his Fellowship.
I find it amazing out of all I have posted here, that all you read was one small part I posted to G3t0v3rit concerning a comment he/she made. As wolfgang put it “Astounding”.
I don’t undermined the weaker vessel. There are many women that are more spiritual than I am. Many have convictions about the way they dress, the way they speak and are careful not to look like Hollywood.
Johnny J I’m sure you would hate to be my wife, or even one of our 7 Children. 4 Girls and 3 Boys. Our first 4 Children are Girls, The Oldest is 27. I understand how they think, and have seen their emotions caused by certain events that happen in their lives. I am the Spiritual head of our Family and I am the one that will answer to God for the way I took care of them. My wife is a Christian and has no problem in obeying what I tell her, because it will be according to Scriptures, and if she thinks I am out of Place she lets me know according to Gods Word. I am sure you could not handle being part of our family because we have rules, and they are governed by Gods Word. Don’t ever think I Undermine Women. God put them here for a purpose. It's in the Bible.

Please read before you write. I do have other things to tend to besides answering misunderstood opinions.


Prayerfully Evangelist Tom Anderson
Streets of America Ministry
Ps 34:6

I no longer find this discussion to be edifying in any way shape or form towards our Lord Jesus Christ or towards the Christian Church.

I would strongly suggest to those who run this site to end this discussion before it becomes a stumbling block to the newly saved and the unsaved.

Wolfgang - Apparently you either have selective memory or your just plain ignorant of the scriptures (I say ignorant because you act as one who likes to think they seem to "know" the bible here).

The reality is Jesus and Paul both publicly rebuked false teachers and Pharisees. Yes, even our savior from time to time called Pharisees things like dogs, rotting corpses (tombs) and even insenuated at times that Pharisees were pigs. Paul goes so far in Philippians to point out that false teachers are "like that of dogs". So to sit here in your pious attitude and say we are being unloving well is just plain wrong.

As a matter of fact those who are on this site rebuking and warning others of XXXChurch's false doctrine and lies are more loving than you can probably ever imagine. For you see we love God and our fellow man SO much that we are willing to warn them that their very souls are in grave peril if they continue to live a life of sin and rebellion. We love others so much we are willing to go to great depths to flag them down to warn them to turn from their sins. As for your and your ilk you not very loving and kind. Although you like to think your loving and kind, the reality is your not very loving, but your actually hate God and your fellow man. For you see you apparently love sin and rebellion more so than your fellow man and yes ultimately more than God. Say all you will wolfgang, nut its your fruits that are speaking louder than anything your saying.

The odd thing is Wolfgang - you seem to be forgetting that the same God of the Old Testament is the same God incarnate in Jesus Christ! God demands his justice and moral law be upheld and never diminished. God is a good and benevolent Moral Governor and he will not tolerate men like you and those from XXXChurch.com in his Kingdom, who wish to mix the light with the darkness - you are lukewarm and God will spit you out. I suggest you reevaluate whom you love more XXXChurch or our Lord and Savior. Hate Sin, Repent, Love God, Be Holy! Its that simple!

man this forum has just gotten weird,,,
But what does it all mean Basil?

this is a good forum,, it has exposed the darkness to the light..
and this website has been emailed to scores of Christian festival promoters
Every denomination Imaginable, ,,and many major TV ministries,, even
major news agencies and news papers. Literally hundreds of emails have been sent..
They all have the opportunity to read our posts, I am sure there are those who are rallying
to the defense of XXX church right now, yet there will be others who care more for
the Lord..
michael

Its like a battle in the movie 300!! Man do I feel like a Spartan!!

lol.

John i know you're a sinner. I still love you. Not all of us can be so wonderful.

this is the longest comment thing I've ever seen. congrats john. lol.

love it.

oh wow....that was heated. Sometimes i get in some of those debates with the older ppl from our church.

he is from an older generation and i think we should respect him no matter his belief.

he is no different than me, than ppl who are living in sin, and those who are aren't. God does not love us or him any greater or lesser

i love jesus, and do my best to not sin. Grace and peace be with you all, and i love what you guys do. I LOVE YOU JESUS!

miguel

you have created a Idol,,
God does not let sinners into heaven,
they must repent...and overcome......
want to know who gets their name blotted out
of the book of life? it was in there then taken out..People who keep sinning,, God turns them over to a reprobate mind and the are sent to a devils hell....
(if a person keeps cussing at God,,would you think God will let him in a holy heaven?)
"how about a priest that is molesting young boys?"

Jesus is NOT unconditional love..
and your generation is not in some special time
that God will overlook sexual perverts... or any sin ,,,,
do you break the ten commandments? they were made in stone,,, and God will judge people by them,,,, if you are repent and stop sinning,, and walk in the grace that Jesus gives us to overcome...His Grace is giving us power to stop breaking the ten commandments and when we do we are free from the curse of the Law,,,

michael

Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

call me what you will.
I think there is just simply an implosion of theological doctrines at the heart of all this. keep talking doctrine, it's a worthy discussion. But that doesn't give you unlimited license to insult people. Presto N, you words were quite searing. I had only commented on what my impression was, and you go after me like John Wayne! I know these people must have wonderful families and church lives, but when met with something different they err towards being very stubborn.
Maybe I am wrong, but there is nothing that I am not redeemed from as long as I put my hope in the Lord.
Yet keep in mind that doctrines have not always been as pragmatic as needed. People like Huss, Galileo, Newton, Luther and other brilliant people of God come to mind.

michael, i will not continue to debate this matter because i will never change your mind nor will you change mine. Only God can do that. The only good thing that comes out of debates is nothing. So ill stop here now

and can someone please stop being immature and stop fighting. For goodness sakes...its time to do something else besides this

THIS... IS... SPARTA!!!

opps...

THIS,,,IS,,,SPARTA!!!,,,

My heart is so saddened by this. Another example of completely missing the point...

the Point is;

a church that has a 30 ft inflatable so called
christian male sex organ they use in witnessing
is wicked ,,, this is unbelievably evil..

and you people are too stupid and self righteous to see it...

you had xxxchurch at your alive festival do you know what they really are about?
look at the web site....they have made a 30 ft inflatable male sex organ they use in witnessing ...its there in a link,,for you to see,,,also a the walmart incident
right near you.... this website has been sent to many christian festivals and ministries
also news agency's hundreds of emails of the link below have been sent out
you should look at it and carefully decide if XXXchurch is what you want next year at alive festival ,you may not want to be part of the publicity

michael

Chris Strayer wrote:
alive fest...

Why are you sending this to us?

On Jul 21, 2008, at 7:10 PM, michael markley wrote:

> hello the 700 club did a show on them is this church ok>? they were at alive fest in ohio
>
> http://xxxchurch.com/blogs/interns/pornmobilecontroversythevideo.html

Might I suggest a 2 day truce on this issue for everyone involved so they might spend the time in prayer and reading their Bible before coming back here and debating in such a non-Christian manner.

I personally don't like hearing anyone call another person "stupid" and even more so between Christians.

I find it interesting that this who support XXXChurch on this forum have used little to no scripture to support their positions. It is because they are sadly ignorant of the Scriptures and want to say "Jesus Loves" them. Of course sinners love Jesus.........as long he never tells them what to do. Sodomites and Lesbians love Jesus too - as long as he never encroaches on their sinful activities. The truth is XXXChurch is all about promoting their message man-centered message. Note how no one ever mentions the gospel on any of their videos, other than Jesus "Loves You". But the gospel is NOT "Jesus Loves" you. Telling a sinner that Jesus loves them and expecting that to bring them to conviction is like stating the obvious. Paul says in Romans 1:18-20 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

So to tell sinners that God loves them is simply stating the obvious. People know from their conscience that when they sin they are betraying God's lovingkindness and justice.

you might want to save your breath...you aint going to change no ones mind nor will we....so call a quits

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Rick Hocutt (Tupelo, MS) replied to your post7 hours ago
Michael, dude calm down. For someone who is free from sin you seem to be pretty judgmental. Do you really think Jesus would come down on someone the way you are? We all sin, face it we're human.

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Post #17
You replied to Rick's postabout a second ago

You calm down,,, I am not your dude..

Jesus rebuked many people so did the apostles..

your a liar " you don't know who sins or not in the world
the devil says everyone always sins....

I am a person ,, not a hu-man
I worship Jesus my Lord and God,,not hu-man kind...

God gave the world ten commandments to be judged by ,,,
you claim you sin,,, if you are breaking the ten commandments
REPENT
or a righteous Judge name Jesus will send you to a devils hell

if you think you can self righteously keep sinning your a hypocrite
the Good God that created all things is a righteous judge and does
not tolerate hypocrisy

XXXchurch comforts sinning perverts and makes fun of holiness,,, and does not lead people to the blood of Jesus that washes away sin
what danger is a message from a pron star and so-called christian porn puppet to children?
then witnessing with a inflatable sex object?

what danger? are you sending a message to children?

michael

My Jesus give me power to overcome!
John 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

I have the ten laws of God that are written in stone,,you will be judged by them if you are breaking them.....
receive the power of Jesus and overcome sin...walk in holiness
enter His grace! and GO from glory to glory,,, free from the Law
free from the curse of the Law............no longer under the LAW>


Ben Martin,you are a wicked reprobate,, to support XXX church and a inflatable male sex organ they use in witnessing... they also have porn puppet that did a video with Ron Jeremy too children telling them porn is for adults,,, this is a perverted dangerous church ,,

repentance from sin is STOPPING it....
when you twist 1; jn 1;5-22 into a
false doctrine that claims sex perverts and pedophiles will continue sinning
AND THEY ARE SAVED your a wicked person!

so according to your devilish teaching and one who walks in the LIGHT is
continually sinning and repenting and saved..
so who walks in darkness? people who stop sinning?
who walks in light? sodomites that repent everyday and keep up sodomy?

1 John 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

people who are deceived claim the blood or grace of Jesus covers their
continual sinning,,so GOD does not see them sinning...they have NO sin in God eyes..
1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

but people like you who walk in sin are luke warm you will be spewed out of Jesus's mouth,,
read your fate!

Revelation 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.


Ben Martin wrote:

I know Gods word is more powerful than me and XXX church and Satan, thats why I'm using God's word to rebuke you.
It states in the verse "If we claim to be without sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us", so surely the person who is being decieved is the person/people claiming to be without sin, to put bluntly, you. What you say, that you are without sin, that you do not sin any more, is AGAINST what is taught here, therefore against a biblical truth, therefore Mr Markley, just like the rest of us, you are imperfect and need to repent daily (as I do), not with an attitude of "Meh, I'll do it again", but with an attitude of, "This is wrong and is something I need to stop, God, please help me with this".
According to this verse, to say you are not a sinner is a lie.

everyone is born a sinner....but some find the narrow path to life,,,
NOTE the word "HAVE"
Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

it doesn't say ALL DO sin and FALL short of the glory

Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,



Paul was free from sin once he crucified the flesh...HE kept it that way...



tares are sinners who Hide in churches and brag
about sinning,, they say they are covered and any who says they don't sin is a liar..the devil loves it.... millions of professing sinners....


Paul says saints are NOT sinners...
Galatians 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

Paul overcome sinning and warned the Corinthians

1 Corinthians 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

so what do these reprobates DO?
they brag about sinning daily...

REPENT

You’re a smooth talker,, but its easy to stop you in your wicked tracks…
(No pointy headstocks please, or else I bring out the electric sander........)
>Ben Martin you and this wicked xxxchurch has NO power.....<

Scriptural fact..

1;Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Every person ever born besides Jesus has sinned,,,
This refutes your Idea I believe I have never sinned,,,
(Mr Markley, if you look inside your heart and your head, can you wholeheartedly say that you have NEVER)


.I have sinned and Jesus paid the price,,,
1 John 4:10 (KJV)
Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

People who stop sinning God loves,, ,people who keep sinning God destroys,, example a pedophile

WOW does Jesus destroy sinners? YES

2 Thes. 2:8 (KJV)
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Quote;
(you have said that I will be judged by the 10 commandments if I am breaking them however you are free from the law, presumably through Christ? Why did Christ come to earth, he came to RENEW the old covenant, he came to remove it from its place and replace it with a new one, a law of grace. How can I be judged by the old law when that law is no longer valid? Michael, I challenge you, do you believe in grace?)

This statement above shows your not under the guidance of the Holy Ghost…
“”Law of Grace,,,””” there is NO scripture that says that….
Grace is not law…and Law is not grace… its obvious you not walking in the light of truth
And its more than obvious you don’t understand salvation…
To put it simply when a person enters Christ’s covenant they are no longer part of this world
“ confounds you doesn’t it..? Well its not so simple for a blind man.,,,,

Let me explain it in terms a blind man should under stand “ of course if they can hear!

Under the old covenant Moses was gave one particular law concerning murder…it was even wrote in stone
“are you still following? This law permeated the world and is a curse to sinners who murder..
This should be easy as pie,, I hope you don’t faint….so murderers get punished in civil courts around the world….and Guest what???? A murderer gets sent to hell by Gods ten commandments
Still is happening today take a little trip to prison and well if you could see you would..

So what about Christ’s covenant?
OH my this could get harder, so please concentrate
( concerning the ten commandments law for stealing)
Civil court thief is caught stealing,,, Judge says five years or 50.000 dollar fine.
Thief has no money…
BUT another man in the court who is innocent and just says I will pay the price
This is a act of grace,,, Christ’s covenant,, thief cannot get himself out of this mess another man does it for him..
There is NO law of grace,, you cannot tell a judge you cannot put me in jail because there is a law on the books called a { law of Grace ) he would laugh you out of court and in Jail..
But some one can pay a fine and appease the court for some one else
happens all the time in civil court…. In God’s court it happened with the sacrifice of
Jesus on the cross,,, YOU didn’t do it,, HE did and did it freely for YOU..( Christ’s covenant)

( grace) sooooooooooo What?
When a car thief repents he tells a civil judge “he promises not to steal anymore cars“…
NOW if the thief is caught again stealing the Judge will make a choice to give him another chance
or turn him over to the prison to do time and pay the price…

In Gods judgments a repeat offender is also looked at,, ,its Gods judgment
If God peradventures he could give the thief another chance,, again Grace and payment made.. its Christ’s covenant
OR if the thief appears to God as a person who does not really want to stop stealing cars
God will turn him over to a reprobate mind… other wise a tare,, or hypocrite…
False teachers breed these people…..

They claim to be saved ,, like XXXchurch and you “Ben martin” and with great pride
“Smile” and say all Christians are only HU- Man and always continue sinning…
Proud as peacocks they are wrapped in sin tighter than bark on a tree

This is where is gets really good… you deceiver! One place everyone keep sinning only human next they stop…
Total dichotomy;
1;(I NEVER said that sex perverts and pedophiles will continue sinning and they are saved, they are not, and I have NEVER claimed they are, Michael, DO NOT PUT WORDS INTO MY MOUTH. I believe that anyone can be saved, they need to repent of their sin and yes, stop doing it,)

2;( If we sin (and we all do, we are human)
This is where the devil steps up to bat,,,,,, WE ALL DO>.. that’s a ball face lie…its almost funny,,,you don’t know who is doing what you just deceive with assumptions
(like the rest of us, you are imperfect and need to repent daily)
Here it is again a dichotomy.
(they need to repent of their sin and yes, stop doing it,)
Hahaha one place you say stop which in logic said person would no longer need to repent
In the next breath imperfect and repent daily

“This is great” a pot smoker stops smoking pot,, but must repent daily from smoking pot
I get your twist now… pot smoker keeps repenting and goes to heaven in a cloud of pot smoke…...

Well lets cut the chase,,,, your testimony is agreeing with XXXCHURCH and this devilish ministry..

So in your idealistic fantasy “Law of grace“,, Christians are marching thru a wonderful church full of converted sex perverts with a inflatable 30 ft christian male sex organ called wally the wiener,,,,,,
> what a wicked web one weaves when first one deceives<

I rebuke your foul spirit in Jesus’s name

REPENT

michael




Ben Martin wrote:

Michael, my Jesus has also given me the power to overcome, allow me to correct some mis-understandings on your part.
"people who are deceived claim the blood or grace of Jesus covers their
continual sinning,,so GOD does not see them sinning...they have NO sin in God eyes..
1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."
No, as disciples of Christ, we have been saved by the blood of Jesus Christ which means we have the CHOICE to repent from our sin. If we do that wholeheartedly and pursue Christ-likeness with our whole being, God looks at the process. If we sin (and we all do, we are human, not THE Son of God, yes we are sons of God but not God himself) and we do not repent of our sin, that is not right, that is against God's holy law, however if we sin and repent of that sin and rebuke ourselves for that sin and work with all we have in Christ to get away from that sin (porn, rape, paedophillia, burglary etc. etc.) God sees that and knows where our hearts are.
"I have the ten laws of God that are written in stone,,you will be judged by them if you are breaking them.....
receive the power of Jesus and overcome sin...walk in holiness
enter His grace! and GO from glory to glory,,, free from the Law
free from the curse of the Law............no longer under the LAW> "
What you have said here is a contradiction in itself, you have said that I will be judged by the 10 commandments if I am breaking them however you are free from the law, presumably through Christ? Why did Christ come to earth, he came to RENEW the old covenant, he came to remove it from its place and replace it with a new one, a law of grace. How can I be judged by the old law when that law is no longer valid? Michael, I challenge you, do you believe in grace?
Paul writes:
"For by Grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is a gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast"
Saved THROUGH FAITH. Not through works, not through being infalliable, through FAITH.
"when you twist 1; jn 1;5-22 into a
false doctrine that claims sex perverts and pedophiles will continue sinning
AND THEY ARE SAVED your a wicked person!"
Tell me where I said this? I am starting to see now that you are twisting my words quite viciously. I NEVER said that sex perverts and pedophiles will continue sinning and they are saved, they are not, and I have NEVER claimed they are, Michael, DO NOT PUT WORDS INTO MY MOUTH. I believe that anyone can be saved, they need to repent of their sin and yes, stop doing it, XXXchurch never tell people that it is OK to look at porn/be a pedophile etc. because you are saved, what they are saying is that because of the gift of grace through God's sacrifice of His only Son, you can no longer be trapped by sin, repentance is the key to salvation, and repentance is not a one off occurrence, it is a daily renewing of the heart.
Do you believe Paul was a sinner? How about John? Peter?
Peter lied did he not?
Mr Markley, if you look inside your heart and your head, can you wholeheartedly say that you have NEVER had a violent, angry, sexual, lustful, hateful thought? Can you tell me you have never lied? Not even just a little 'white' lie? If you can, then you are Christ himself. It is a biblical truth that the only man to have ever walked the earth and not be a sinner is Christ, God Himself.
No pointy headstocks please, or else I bring out the electric sander........

michael

thanks for showing everyone how a mature Christian should act. Thank you very much

now lets move on with our lives

Michaels exact words...
"we can stop all sinning by Grace and receive the power to stop sinning."
Yet you just said that you sin...how does that work exactly?
Your flip floppin like John Kerry in here.
Man would I love to talk to one person that knows you for real like your wife or a very very close friend as ask them if you EVER sin? If they were honest you know exactly what they would say.
And by the way thank you for calling people who are in here trying to get help with their porn addiction a pervert. Great way to persuade them to your side if that is where the real help is.

johnny thats not helping anyone
lets plz be mature

Johnny J

you need to study English or a least

Have sinned as apposed to DO sin...

yes it would be interesting for you to see me in person and know how I live,,,,

if you hung out long you would see in my street
ministry a flock of angry wolves that come running sometimes ,,scoffers who claim to be
preachers of Christ...bragging and boasting about sinning everyday.... one socalled berean
pastor when wild,,proclaiming if he murdered 5 men for this moment in time till the day he died
it could not effect his salvation....
when I asked do you commit sin now ,,he proclaimed yes daily,,, BIG baptist smile..
till I showed him..
1 JN 3;8
1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

what works are sinning everyday I asked?,,
doesn't that make you OF THE DEVIL?

if looks could Kill I would have been dead,,
the poor sinning pastor hated the air I breathed..


michael

sure he would fit in with you and XXXchurch

Those were valid points not meant to harm anyone...well maybe except for the John Kerry part of it:)

Anytime you are in the New England area give me a buzz, I would love to meet you in person and maybe sit down over a cup of joe and have a nice man to man diplomatic conversation with you. You know with out the whole getting in my face and rebuking me and all that crap:)
I really like these simile face things. They brighten up the mood in here.:)
Here you go Michael here is a simile ...:)

Isaiah 43:1-28 (GNT)
Wednesday
July 23, 2008

Let your Light Shine and Tell of God's Kindness and Mercy
Introduction
Isaiah 43:1-28: God describes how the people will escape exile in Babylonia and return to Judah. The most direct path back to Judah from Babylonia was through the desert. Such a journey would be dangerous, but the Lord promises to provide water in the desert.
Today's Scripture
1 Israel, the Lord who created you says, "Do not be afraid--I will save you. I have called you by name--you are mine. 2When you pass through deep waters, I will be with you; your troubles will not overwhelm you. When you pass through fire, you will not be burned; the hard trials that come will not hurt you. 3For I am the Lord your God, the holy God of Israel, who saves you. I will give up Egypt to set you free; I will give up Ethiopia and Seba. 4I will give up whole nations to save your life, because you are precious to me and because I love you and give you honor. 5Do not be afraid--I am with you! "From the distant east and the farthest west I will bring your people home. 6I will tell the north to let them go and the south not to hold them back. Let my people return from distant lands, from every part of the world. 7 They are my own people, and I created them to bring me glory."
8God says, "Summon my people to court. They have eyes, but they are blind; they have ears, but they are deaf! 9Summon the nations to come to the trial. Which of their gods can predict the future? Which of them foretold what is happening now? Let these gods bring in their witnesses to prove that they are right, to testify to the truth of their words. 10"People of Israel, you are my witnesses; I chose you to be my servant, so that you would know me and believe in me and understand that I am the only God. Besides me there is no other god; there never was and never will be. 11"I alone am the Lord, the only one who can save you. 12 I predicted what would happen, and then I came to your aid. No foreign god has ever done this; you are my witnesses. 13I am God and always will be. No one can escape from my power; no one can change what I do."
14Israel's holy God, the Lord who saves you, says, "To save you, I will send an army against Babylon; I will break down the city gates, and the shouts of her people will turn into crying. 15I am the Lord, your holy God. I created you, Israel, and I am your king." 16Long ago the Lord made a road through the sea, a path through the swirling waters. 17He led a mighty army to destruction, an army of chariots and horses. Down they fell, never to rise, snuffed out like the flame of a lamp! 18 But the Lord says, "Do not cling to events of the past or dwell on what happened long ago. 19Watch for the new thing I am going to do. It is happening already--you can see it now! I will make a road through the wilderness and give you streams of water there. 20Even the wild animals will honor me; jackals and ostriches will praise me when I make rivers flow in the desert to give water to my chosen people. 21They are the people I made for myself, and they will sing my praises!"
22The Lord says, "But you were tired of me, Israel; you did not worship me. 23 You did not bring me your burnt offerings of sheep; you did not honor me with your sacrifices. I did not burden you by demanding offerings or wear you out by asking for incense. 24You didn't buy incense for me or satisfy me with the fat of your animals. Instead you burdened me with your sins; you wore me out with the wrongs you have committed. 25And yet, I am the God who forgives your sins, and I do this because of who I am. I will not hold your sins against you. 26"Let us go to court; bring your accusation! Present your case to prove you are in the right! 27Your earliest ancestor sinned; your leaders sinned against me, 28and your rulers profaned my sanctuary. So I brought destruction on Israel; I let my own people be insulted."
Reflect
The people living in the deserts of the ancient Near East knew well that life cannot exist without water. The life-giving power of water is a frequent theme in the Bible (Genesis 2:4-14; Exodus 15:22-26). Read Matthew 3:13-17. How does water serve as a symbol for new life in the story of Jesus?
Pray
Lord of Life, your waters spring forth in dry places, creating fertile ground for new life. Wash my spirit today, that I may experience a renewal of spirit through your cleansing waters, and share the good news of new life with others. Amen.

Michael, my walk with God will continue as I am sure yours will also. I wish you all the best with your life.
I would just like to say (because I have not yet addressed it), I think Wally the Wiener is a bit of fun, however as an evangelical tool I am not sure how effective it can be. I do however know, that if Jesus were on this earth now, he would not be preaching to churches, he would be in whore houses, porn conventions and prisons, showing people the true meaning of love. He would be giving them hugs, telling them that he loves them and that they are no longer trapped by their sin. This is what XXXchurch are doing, they are letting people know that Christ loves them, He hates their sin but loves them more than we can ever know. Thought you might like to know that.
God Bless
Ben
Mt 12:34 "...For out of the overflow of the heart, the mouth speaks."

FROM Michael;
My response,, your god is the devil….you’re a wicked reprobate..

michael

:)

Hi guys, I only posted a couple of comments on here (might have been the other one, not sure) but I then decided I would rather talk with Michael personally. He has decided to copy and paste our correspondence into this blog comment spot, this was done without my permission. I am not particularly fussed, however I would like to point out that everything I said to Mr Markley I said in confidence.
I have mentioned to him various thoughts I have had regarding suicide, whether he publishes these on here or not I don't know but being that it is likely I might as well tell y'all, not that any of you know me. It's another sin I have struggled greatly with.
Guys, do not confide in this man or expect that any conversation you have with him will be kept private, he will most certainly share it with whoever he can even without your permission. So Christ-like.
God Bless
Ben

two things
Ben you never said keep this in confidence.,,, so you are creating a fabrication,,

XXXchurch never ask permission to video tape me or create this web site and post it,, that's already a legal issue...yet this is self explanatory and Good as it exposes the deception in XXXchurch,, as they think they are gathering support ,in reality they are being looked at by many people who didn't know the depth of their treacherous ministry

far as suicide I am not surprised the little dance you so fragrantly been doing with Satan is soon to be the devils field day,,

REPENT>>

Wow Michael after reading all of these comments and not taking sides either way just finding a lot of hatred I must say, Michael you sir are full of self righteous hatred. Regardless of the intent of this site I must say that reading your comments I find nothing that edifies God or Jesus Christ in your tone or words towards others.

Yes Christ did drive those out of the temple but this site is not a temple.

Brother you must find love in your heart as Christ said the 2nd greatest commandment

Mat 22:34 [NRSV] When the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together,
Mat 22:35 and one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question to test him.
Mat 22:36 "Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?"
Mat 22:37 He said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.'
Mat 22:38 This is the greatest and first commandment.
Mat 22:39 And a second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."

Christ never said just love those who don't sin or those who agree with you. He commands yes commands us to love one another.

Please sir I understand your concerns and some of them are well placed and maybe even 100% correct but your hatred is eating away at your Christianity.

again you wicked men accuse me...
Love your enemies? yes I do...I have told you the truth about your fate and told you to repent for trashing Jesus and demeaning the church..

all you have done is scoff
2 Peter 3:3 (KJV)
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,




about hate? you people are the haters,, turning the Love of Jesus into a 30ft sex object,,,

how about revenge? Jesus said his church does not get the honor,, Its all His,, he will destroy you wicked people..

Romans 12:19 (KJV)
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

I am not so honored as Samson
Judges 15:16 (KJV)
And Samson said, With the jawbone of an ass, heaps upon heaps, with the jaw of an ass have I slain a thousand men.


so what you people? Love? NOPE!

Bastards...


Hebrews 12:8 (KJV)
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

oooohhhhhh you said bastards
now Jesus is really gonna get mad :(

Turn that frown upside down!

:)

And this one is especially for you Michael

:)

Michael

You have accused me of being a hater. Please sir I ask you to show in any of my comments where I have displayed any hatred towards anyone on here.

Be careful where you throw stones

John 8:1 Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.
John 8:2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
John 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
John 8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
John 8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
John 8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
John 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
John 8:8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
John 8:9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
John 8:10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
John 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

You are right, I'm sorry that I assumed you would keep our personal conversation in confidence, I'm sorry that XXXchurch did not ask you for permission but do not claim that they were wrong when you have done the same thing (did you ask for them not to post it on the site? Probably not...)
To go at your game, here is a recent email I sent to Michael, and his response, as you can see, does not address any issues, simply throws insults and names at me.
My response to having been "decieved" with regards to sin as nature:
You have not addressed certain things I brought up with you. I do not particularly desire to converse with a person who mocks and scoffs at the person he is in conversation with, you have done this. You have mocked me and scoffed at me, this is certainly not the way Jesus would have acted.
Sin as nature:
Romans 7:5 (yes I know the context)
Romans 7:18
Romans 7:25 (take a look at this one, bear in mind it is Paul writing)
Romans 8:3
Romans 8:4,5,8,9,12,13
Romans 13:14
1 Cor 5:5
Gal 5:13 (take a good look at this one, he does not say we cannot indulge as we no longer sin, he says DO NOT INDULGE)
Gal 5:16,17,19 and 24
Gal 6:8
Eph 2:3
Col 2:11,13
2 Pe 2:10
2 Pe 2:18
(All NIV)
Thats 23 references to sin as nature, most of them from who you have referred to as the greatest Christian (Paul, I certainly agree with you on this!). Tell me now that I have been deceived.
Blessings in Christ
Ben

Michael's response:
go away wolf.... chew on someone else

your a wicked reprobate and love your dirty perverted stuff...

I dont recieve your spirit in Jesus's name...

I'm not doing this to be malicious I just want to show people that when faced by truth, all Michael does is hurl insults. Also Michael, my suicide attempts in the past are to do with Satan, but because I now have Christ, Satan no longer has the power to hold me, and I rebuke him. Because this is spiritually and mentally draining me I will no longer be participating in this thread, I feel it has become a place of anger and bitterness, not from all parties, but some and I do not want myself to become dragged into the name calling and pointless insulting.
God Bless guys,
Ben M
(UK)

I never gave permission to be videoed or have any video of me put on your website...

michael markley

I heard this song today. It reminded me of all this...
"Nuisance" by Relient K and John Reuben

Michael, check it out



Here's a question we should ALL ask ourselves: are we debating just to win the argument?

Heres a double

:) :)

"Does your mother sow? Boom, [:)], Get her to sow that" :)

Aren't these things delightful?

Smilie faces make me think of Jesus.

Here's where you can find the music video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIqpvAqyWAc

John Davidson, Attorney at Law
you can not make a sound recording of another without that parties permission. That includes over the phone or in person.
It also forbids video taping with sound

videoclips and photos -- are protected under copyright law. If the copyright owners become aware of your violation, you might have to pay money damages and remove the infringing material.
Most (if not all) states provide for a civil claim for using another person's voice or likeness unless the person consents.You simply have to talk to the creator of the video. The creator can "license" the video to you. In other words, allow you to post the video on your site. It is as simple as that. Whether the creator wants to or not is another story.

So what you are saying is...

:)

bet you didn't see that one coming.

XXXchurch is wicked.. and needs to repent,,a inflatable 30ft socalled christian wally the male sex object is porn . you have trashed Jesus and His church,,,
THE TEN COMMANDMENTS -- EXODUS 20:1- 17


1) "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."
2) "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image,"
3) "Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain;"
4) "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy."
5) "Honor thy father and thy mother:"
6) "Thou shalt not kill."
7) "Thou shalt not commit adultery"
8) "Thou shalt not steal."
9) "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor."
10) "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house,.....nor anything that is thy neighbor's

Yep those are them,
All ten of them.


Im going out on a limb with a triple...
:) :) :)

looks like a prophet has you wicked people cornered...

This is from Sean Payne:

http://www.*******.net
http://www.**********.com

God Abhors your "church" you water down the gospel into nothing at all.

I do not believe in sinless perfection, however I believe this is the kind of preaching that false converts like you all need.

Jesus Christs' love is in past tense, pointing to the cross. Sinners will not understand their need for the Saviour until they see themselves as hell-deserving sinners.

Your "church" fulfills James 4:4, you make friendship with the world. Shame on you.

The "man" that Michael was rebuking needs to read 1 Cor 6:9,10, the effeminate will not enter the kingdom of God.

Your "church" needs to repent. The only reasonable thing to do in response to you guys is to vomit in digust, be severly angry, or to weep.

If this video is on youtube please post the link.

Keep up the preaching Michael, remember the truth is unpopular.

Thank Sean Payne:
for your support GBU

Luke 13:3 (KJV)
I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.


a car thief must stop stealing cars to get in a righteous heaven

michael

For the record; I don’t believe in a sinless perfection doctrine either..
I am confronted by these nuts every once in a while… they say because Jesus
died on the cross 2000 years ago the price he paid for the whole world
eliminated all sin. .it has been eradicated from the face of earth…
So every person on earth is sinless and perfect,, and never has sinned
and cannot because they are all born of Christ ….
they teach they are Christ and have had them say about themselves “ I am Christ.”

(The scripture says all have sinned…truth)
(What I believe is scripture we start out sinning but repent)…

Sinless perfection people don’t repent they say there is no sin on earth
I have asked them… what about a woman who throws her baby in a pot of boiling water
Is it sin? They look real stupid and say NO,, every time………..

(Real truth is a car thief cannot make it in a righteous heaven if he doesn’t stop stealing cars)

So Repentance is the what is truth! About receiving the payment Jesus made on the cross..

Not like XXXchurch bragging at walmart proud as peacocks “they sin every day”
“Its repulsive a stench in Gods nostrils”
And trashing Jesus and His church….. They have betrayed Gods love! and replaced it with a inflatable male sex organ ,They have made a porn Idol…..


michael

I have to give props to Jon Speirs and all the others who work for X3, because if Michael had come up to me with the same Bible verses, 1. my angry with him would show through; 2. I wouldn't know what to say in rebuttal to all of his Bible verses (which I know is really my own fault in most ways, but still...). So here's to all the guys and girls from X3. Cheers.

God Tube;
From:
adambanks

Date:
Saturday, July 26, 2008 at 10:27 AM

Do you yourself commit sin? Do you tell lies? Do you lust? Do you get angry?


answer from michael;

Everyone has sinned including me

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

God requires a person to repent

Luke 13:3 (KJV)
I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

A person who is a car thief who repents cannot keep stealing cars and get into heaven..

“a person who claims to be a Christians and keeps stealing cars is of the devil”

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

I am not Of the devil.. I abide in Jesus… Jesus is my Lord!

1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.


michael

xxxchurch sins and keeps sinning,,and admits it.. they even have stolen one of my videos and posted it without permission
breaking the 8th commandment...

Michael you should not post things on this great big internet in a public setting if you do not want anybody to use them. Besides those videos would have never been watched without this whole "proud as a peacock" conversation. This has got to be some of the best free advertising you have ever had!

Hmmmmmm... My smiles seem to not be working.

Lets try the wink.

;)

xxxchurch you cannot lie your way out of what you did,,, you have stolen my music video..and used it.

michael

wow michael, you seriously need a life.

I have a wonderful life.
Matthew 7:14 (KJV)
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


you need Jesus!

repent

michael

dont worry i have Jesus...i talk with Him everyday, He's so wonderful, Beautiful, and no words can ever come close to who He is. He is what I live for, He is my hiding place, my shelter. The one who came and set me free, who washed me and saved me. the one who i live for!!!! ahh He so awesome!

you can claim to know Jesus,,, but if you are supporting XXXchurch your living a lie,you had better Repent..

1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

michael

so let me get this straight

if i support xxxchurch because they helped me get out of my sin, helped me stay accountable with a Godly man, helped me battle my struggles, let me see the light that i did not see, come out of the life of sin, and showed me the way to Jesus i am deceived and going to hell because i was brought out of pornography? hmmmm how along those lines does that make sense?

Michael, I really wish you would stop using the whole child molester pervert thing as your defense. You are taking it so much further than is commonly decent. There are people that have been severely hurt both mentally and physically by molestation and you are just throwing it around like its common talk.
C'mon just grow up and get a life.

Oh yeah almost forgot.

:) ;)

Plus you are just going to give yourself an ulser if you don't just relax and enjoy some life. Seriously this much action for the average violin player will do em in. Chill a little my brother in Christ.

my life is wonderful and I have a real loving life.. Jesus is my Lord
you cannot stand that fact,,

Its evil to do what you do.. your conscience is part of the time kicking you and at other times dead as a door nail..
the facts are clear and easy for most people to see and understand, look at the many people who have rebuked you wicked reprobates..
what do you do? arrogantly scoff....
God took care of your kind once at the flood.


you need to repent..

Craig Grooss you wont have to worry about being nailed to the cross...
XXXchurch has taken the marriage bed and turned it into a three ring circus,, this is from the Jewish Journal who seems to support XXXchurch and their leading men ,Craig Gross and Ron Jeremy...the Jews don't believe in Jesus,, but they sure believe in Craig Gross and Ron Jeremy..,
(,hundreds of church's and ministries have had this website page emailed to them.. )


http://www.jewishjournal.com/thegodblog/item/xxxchurch_make_love_not_war_on_porn/

LAS VEGAS - If Craig Gross considers Jesus Christ his best friend, why is his arm around porn’s leading man?

“We are the world. We are the children,” Ron Jeremy sings as he and Gross draw a circus crowd at the Adult Entertainment Expo here.
a secular Jew who has performed in 1,900 porn flicks - have grown close and, despite diametric career choices, have come to respect and appreciate each other.

“I have nothing against Ron Jeremy,” says Gross, an ordained minister who leads the anti-porn crusade XXXChurch.com “I love this guy. I love hanging out with him.”

Michael you keep commenting that this web page has been emailed to thousands of people like it is going to scare those involved with this website. I believe that its great that you have emailed it for a couple reasons...
1. You are getting amazing publicity for you career as a violinist, probably more than you have ever had.
2. You are informing a bunch of people abou the website and hopefully allowing them to make an informed and educated decision about their stance on this ministry.
**One ironic note is that you would be surprised to comprehend how many healthy churches actually promote XXXChurch and use it as a RESOURCE to fight the grip of pornography that has its hold on society.
Notice i caped "resources". One major fact that you completely miss in you judgement of XXXChurch is that it is a ministry resource. People do not worship the ministry, Craig Gross, Ron Jeremy(since you think he is a owner of this whole get up), or even a huge blow up penis...see i can call it a penis and not be afraid of using the correct terminology for fear of using a "bad word". But I digress. This ministry is not to be worshiped it is used to fight the evils of sin that grab a hole of 99% of the male population that has a computer. With the amount of time you spend online, as we see here by your many posts, I would be hard pressed to believe that you have not been tempted by the lures of naked women and the abundance of free material available for consumption. The people that, again, USE this website have fallen into a trap of sin that could ultimately destroy their life.
I find it compelling that you are so against this website even though they truly help so many people.
Michael is there something in you life that you have had a struggle with? There has to be or have been and if so have you over come that issue?
Well then do us all a favor and let this website and group of people help people overcome a sin that has a grip on their life just as you have had on your life.
There are shock tactics employed by people at XXXChurch such as wally the weiner and rex the rabbit. Those are in place because the people that are so far into porn will not relate to anything anything else. They look at Christians as a bunch of hypocrites among other names.
Those tactics are used to grab their attention and draw them in and change their life. Are they a bit to much for the average christian? Maybe but are we on earth to please our fellow Christians or are we here to get the unsaved saved?
These are just some points to consider before you go and condemn a fellow brother in Christ.

Michael please read and consider these points carefully before you go and throw a misquoted bible verse in my face. You obviously know the bible in some form so I am respecting your knowledge and not throwing them back in your face. Please have a conversation with the people of this ministry instead of condemning them.

:) ;)

we have absolutely nothing in common, period!
/////////////////////
quote;
(you would be surprised to comprehend how many healthy churches actually promote XXXChurch )

answer;
so you take your sick inflatable porn sex organ to healthy churches?

they are as wicked and sick as you are..
repent.

http://www.factnet.org/vbforum/showthread.php?t=12472

Yes, thank you Michael for not having a conversation with someone and answering their questions about yourself. Everyone in this forum is offering of themselves and you just hold everything back. Great way to converse.

Now im extra curious, what are your vices Michael? There is something that you are holding back from everyone. I bet even your close loved ones, like your wife, dont know the real you.

See that is the issue of Porn...hole up and dont talk about the issues that need the most talking about.

that is exactly the opposite of the root of this ministry.

It seems you have something to hide...who knows I might be wrong. But only the God that you and I both believe in knows for sure:)

I don't have any hidden problems....
what you are trying to do is flip the table on me and it wont work... why are you doing it? because you are trapped like the scorpions you people are...
the Light of truth is shining on XXXchurch and has exposed your evil to the world...the only hope you people have is to crawl back under the rock you came out from under...

there is a lot of people looking at you real hard now........................

REPENT!
michael

Michael this is great publicity for a ministry that lays it all out on the table. XXXChurch has nothing to hide. The website is open to anyone to read. Its not a secret club that only a few can join. It offers help to anyone who comes looking for it. That is the point. It helps free people from the corner they have painted them self into. I am not painted in a corner anymore by my sin or by someone telling me that the ministry that helped me is the devil. I don't worship the ministry. I worship Jesus Christ who died and saved me from my sin. You said that we have nothing in common but that is one big thing that we share.
Nobody in here is asking you to love XXXChurch. Michael nobody came up to you and started preaching in your face. This ministry did not start out this conversation under a rock such as you claim. They have a car that drives around advertising it and you approached them. Dont say they started out under a rock when no body even knew of Michale Markely the violinist.
You need to seriously take a break from all of this before it drives you into the ground Michael. You are fighting a battle with a foe and those are never won by either party.

I meant Friend...not Foe. I apologize.

your conscience is dead,,and your worried about your support,,and you don't know what to do but attack me..
>you and your devils cannot drive me anywhere..Jesus is My Rock<

its apparent that this has really upset xxxchurch.
that's good its a last ditch effort to get you reprobates to repent..your friend Ron Jeremy can comfort you with his dirty talk but only Jesus can save you...

Would you drive a NO 1 christian Gay SUV around with No 1 christian gay porn on it if it made you money? how about "Jesusisgay.com"
just think of all the fagots that would come laughing it would be so funny and you could turn it into a cash cow...
OH maybe one little fagot would ask Jesus to save him.. then you could dance, and comfort the new little Gay Christian by reminding him that salvation is not determined by his works so in your twisted doctrine this sodomite is saved regardless of whether he stops having sodomite sex...
I remember clear as a bell the "little snake" explaining it to me outside walmart before the cameras started rolling,,,
Jesus loves porn stars even if they remain in that occupation,, if they asked to be saved
"Bang" they are regardless if they stop sinning.,,,
then the proud and arrogant XXXchurch SUV driver started his little dance.. chanting we all sin .but we dont want too ,, we all sin we all sin..
the devil was having a field day with this reprobate..

you can take your 30ft inflatable male sex organ
into all those healthy socalled churches you claim support you,, then you all can dance and bow down and worship it,,in the name of Jesus!

you people are sick! and its great God gave you over to such arrogance that you can brag about it before the world to see on the web,,,because of your wicked hearts God has blinded you eyes and plugged your ears and turned your minds into reprobates..

michael

ARE WE NOT MEN???!!! lol

Let us all pray for Michael, for he really seems a man truly after God's own heart. He just has a really hard heart.

Michael, that's nothing to dispute either. You really abhor and despise anyone who thinks that XXXchurch is even possibly good.

A REBUKE to Michael FROM
Ryan Fleischmann

Michael, you probably consider much of culture today quite evil. I doubt you watch TV, read popular books and news and music at all.
You consider it "of the devil"
No offense, but for that I would consider you out of touch with a majority of people out there. What can you do? They are "of the devil" as far as you are concerned. Why bother with them?
You consider your style of Christianity as the only style of Christianity worth living. Though you probably would not think of my faith as Christian nor that of XXXchurch, clearly.
You likely find so much of what this generation is doing to be very alien to you. You feel as if Jesus gave you the conviction that things that are alien to you are "of the devil"
But I would say you have a limited understanding of the power of the Holy Spirit as it works within our world. You will likely think of a lot of spiritual context to justify yourself. I can nearly predict what you'll say to me because you've said dozens of times already on the blog post.
I just graduated from a Christian high school. I've read the Bible quite a bit, still do. I can understand where you're coming from.
However, I need only to point to the historical fact that throughout history since Christ's death and ressurection the Christian faith has grown and persevered through many cultures, many modes of thought. That's the power of the Holy Spirit, is it not? I happen to believe that:
If Christ's church has flourished in many different cultures and modes of thought, why can it not continue to do so in our postmodern world today?
To say it is not reaching into various modes of culture (books, tv, radio, internet, film, and gasp! porn shows) would be to question if the Holy Spirit is really working in all people at all times. Holy Spirit is fervently working in the hearts of all people, even if they may have never heard Jesus' name.
I do not blaspheme. I simply know a God who is loving and merciful, yet leaves justice and peace in His wake. Love, Ryan
///////////////////////////////////////////////////

MY RESPONSE FROM MICHAEL

This is your chance Ryan as a High School
Grad,,, you could repent and become saved
and walk in Jesus's love... or take another path.
its your choice,, you can embrace the HATE of xxxchurch.com and walk in the evil they manifest..do you want to impress them?
what would they like? PUT on a white rob and sandals make your self look like the Jesus in the pictures,, then walk thru town... don't carry a cross,,, rather carry a 30 ft inflatable male sex organ named wally the christian wiener..
DO IT
you probably would be ordained a XXXchurch minister ,,GREAT future,, you could drive the porn mobile!

REPENT you wicked reprobates

michael

Fredric..
you XXXchurch people are the HATERs
your like eggs of hate incubating every so often
another one hatches a little devil with a new plan to trash Jesus..

michael.

Factnet on abusive churches and ministries



http://www.factnet.org/vbforum/showthread.php?t=12472



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i cant beleive such trash.. christians should know better no let be rephrase that christians will know better and do better than that trash

response from michael
I agree truth Child its the signs of the times

Michael being REBUKED by adambanks who loves XXXchurch


From:
adambanks

Date:
Sunday, July 27, 2008 at 02:04 AM

You are part of the reason that some people will never know the love of Christ, you don't listen, you only pass judgment. You see only what you wish to see, and what your own narrow minded interpretation of the Word says. Jesus drank and ate with sinners, he came to "seek and to save, what was lost", not to judge and have a "holier than thou" attitude. Which you seem to have been perpetuating throughout that video. XXXCHURCH has helped thousands of people overcome addictions that have taken their lives over and they have felt the love of Christ and experienced true freedom from their sin and bondage. I will not call you a pharisee sir, I will simply state that there are much better ways of getting your point across and to urge you to remember one of Jesus' more obvious traits; which was compassion. He had a heart for people and for those stuck where others say they should stay. If we were there today and the woman at the well were waiting to be stoned.. where would you be? From what I saw in the video, you'd be holding a rock. I am not passing judgment upon you, merely giving you an opinion from the heart of someone who is a sinner. All men have sinned. No we shan't go on sinning so that grace may abound, yet it is our sin that we still are entangled with that makes us realize the beauty and power of grace. I will admit to anyone that I am not perfect, I struggle, my father died and I struggle with anxiety, obsessive compulsive disorder, insomnia, paranoia, and I am a very self conscious person. Are you going to tell me that I am headed for hell? No, by no means am I headed for separation from the One who reminds me each day, why I should even get up in the morning. When I am so down from feeling so ashamed from my disconnect with God because I am a sinner who keep's on sinning. Because life is a learning process, you dont' just stop sinning, in our weakness, he is stronger. He is our reason for fighting on with this life, sometimes a life that is full of pain. We make mistakes, we lose heart.. and when we are at our worst, we see just how much we need Grace. In my sin, God is given the glory through my need for Him, He receives glory when I fall down. That is Sir, The beauty of His gospel. His gospel is LOVE. I am sorry that people may have said negative things to you, or if I may come across that way. Sorry I tend to rant.



RESPONSE from Michael to gainsayer adambanks

qoute:Are you going to tell me that I am headed for hell?

answer YES ..repent!

I will respond to your own words,

Quote from admabanks:
yet it is our sin that we still are entangled with that makes us realize the beauty and power of grace. I will admit to anyone that I am not perfect,

(you make scripture a oxymoron Grace accepting people living entangled in sin.)

Adambanks by your own confession “Jesus has NOT made you free:…you don’t know HIM!
Because you have NOT truly repented!

Galatians 5:1 (KJV)
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.


ADAMbanks your NOT free! Wake up by your own admission your still entangled,,I don’t see by your woulds you were ever saved of free..but if at one time you were now your entangled again\

2 Peter 2:20 (KJV)
For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

Adambanks you admit your still committing sinning. So Jesus has NOT destroyed the works of the devil in your life,,, you are still “ Of the DEVIL…

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.


Adambanks,, if you DON’T REPENT and turn from your sins your headed to a devils hell

michael

Michael you are absolutely ridiculous. You just take everything out of context.
Earlier I asked you what was wrong in your life, what are your vices, because there is obviously something wrong. You told me not to try and turn it around onto you. Well that is exactly what I am going to do and I have every right. You come trudging through here like you are the rightful owner of this form and tell everybody that they are going to hell for not being "free of sin".
MICHAEL wake up...YOU SIN TOO!!! you are not perfect. Only Jesus was perfect and there fore everybody else sins. Its a common understanding.
So I ask again since you are coming into this forum and denouncing everybody in here,

What are your problems Michael? Go and ask you wife or you close friends to be honest with you and do yourself a favor and shut the hell up for once and listen to what they have to say. You obviously aren't doing that because you are under the impression that you are sinless.

What is it Michael...are you addicted to porn yourself and you are scared that XXXChurch is bringing it into the light.
Are you a wife beater are you a homosexual...do you have a problem lusting after underage girls or boys for that mater...do you masturbate chronically... do you compulsively lie to your family members or do you have another family that your family doesn't know about.

Michael these are all horrendous things and what does Jesus do to people whos lives are exactly like this? He loves them. Simply that, even if they repent and the devil tricks them into doing it again...people mess up, even if they dont want to and try not to...THEY DO. You do to. Quit being so damn mean to people and grow up.


But Michael there is hope for you and anyone in circumstances like this. For one if your addicted to porn ...XXXChurch has resources and can help free you from your addiction...and guess what there are other resources out there, on the internet, that can help you with just about everyone of the other problems.
Why is this such an issue with you? Are you comming down on any of those other ministries that offer help to wife beaters or child molesters or drug addicts? No you choose to pick apart a ministry that you saw in a WalMart parking lot and didnt completely understand and werent willing to listen to then or now...
I ask again Michael...what are you problems? what are you vices?
Go ponder you life for a while and then come back and answer my question for once, since you are here in the XXXChurch forum and not the Christian Violinist Forum...

Wake Up reprobates!

Quote Johnny J;
MICHAEL wake up...YOU SIN TOO!!! you are not perfect. Only Jesus was perfect and there fore everybody else sins. Its a common understanding.


Answer you’re a liar! You don’t know what I do!
You and your father are the accuser of the brethren
(Jesus has power to make people free ,hallelujah ( I am Free..)

Rev. 12:10 (KJV)
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.


But Johnny J
you admit “you commit sinning” its your confession ,,so you are “of the devil”
Let the Word rebuke you

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.


Johnny J
your blind as a bat.. You cannot see truth in scripture….

Quote;
you are not perfect. Only Jesus was perfect and there fore everybody else sins.

Answer . Evetone starts out sinning some stop.. But hypocrites keep sinning
Johnny you’re a tare ,goat and hypocrite, and your teaching is false that makes you a wolf in sheep’s clothing… only Jesus was perfect? You teach that? Again the Word rebukes you

Can you Read Johnny J?
Genesis 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.
Job 1:8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
Job 2:3 (KJV)
And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.

Job 8:20 (KJV)
Behold, God will not cast away a perfect man, neither will he help the evil doers:
Genesis 17:1 (KJV)
And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.
Deut. 18:13 (KJV)
Thou shalt be perfect with the Lord thy God.
2 Samuel 22:33 (KJV)
God is my strength and power: and he maketh my way perfect.
1 Kings 8:61 (KJV)
Let your heart therefore be perfect with the Lord our God, to walk in his statutes, and to keep his commandments, as at this day.
1 Chron. 12:38 (KJV)
All these men of war, that could keep rank, came with a perfect heart to Hebron, to make David king over all Israel: and all the rest also of Israel were of one heart to make David king.
Psalm 37:37 (KJV)
Mark the perfect man, and behold the upright: for the end of that man is peace.
Psalm 101:6 (KJV)
Mine eyes shall be upon the faithful of the land, that they may dwell with me: he that walketh in a perfect way, he shall serve me.
Proverbs 2:21 (KJV)
For the upright shall dwell in the land, and the perfect shall remain in it.
Proverbs 11:5 (KJV)
The righteousness of the perfect shall direct his way: but the wicked shall fall by his own wickedness.


Well what did Jesus say,, johnny J? will you call Him a liar?
Matthew 5:48 (KJV)
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.


















Psalm 139:22 (KJV)
I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.


God hates XXXchurch and their 30ft tall inflatable male sex organ,,,

michael

Again you did not answer my questions. your vices...what are your vices...?

Michael since all you can do is misquote bible verses...(MISS)Quote me some bible verses that show the love of Christ.
You seem to think you know all the ones about hate...Show me some about the love God has for man. Can you do that? Get those squeaky wheels in your head turning and bring those memories up of sitting in sunday school...
How does that song go...
Oh yeah.
Jesus love me this I know, for the bible tells me so. Little ones to Him belong, for we are weak but he is strong.
Man is that powerful:)
Or is that child like faith? Wait, that is in the bible too.

Quote from Michael "God hates XXXchurch..." End Quote.

Isaiah 32:6
"For the fool speaks folly, his mind is busy with evil: He practices ungodliness and spreads error concerning the LORD..."

Michael,

Does your pastor know you are coming to this god forsaken website to argue with reprobates?

On a serious note though- you are the only one I see behaving like those Jesus despised: the Pharisees. Here you hurled insults because you misunderstood something you saw through your fleshly eyes instead of looking with spiritual eyes. Those insults on open camera for everyone to see clearly display someone who has no self control. Since you appreciate the Scriptures, I would like to share with you some that you have seemed to over look.

Certainly it is said in Proverbs 12:16:
A fool shows his annoyance at once, but a prudent man overlooks an insult.

Proverbs 14:17
A quick-tempered man does foolish things, and a crafty man is hated.

Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no pleasure in understanding but delights in airing his own opinions.

Proverbs 20:3
It is to a man's honor to avoid strife, but every fool is quick to quarrel.

Proverbs 26:12
Do you see a man wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.

Proverbs 29:11
A fool gives full vent to his anger, but a wise man keeps himself under control.

Proverbs 30:32
"If you have played the fool and exalted yourself, or if you have planned evil, clap your hand over your mouth!

Ecclesiastes 7:9
Do not be quickly provoked in your spirit, for anger resides in the lap of fools.

Ecclesiastes 10:12
Words from a wise man's mouth are gracious, but a fool is consumed by his own lips.

Romans 1:22
Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools

Lastly, from Matthew 7:
1"Do not judge so that you will not be judged.
2"For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.
3"Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?
4"Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' and behold, the log is in your own eye?
5"You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

Then,
12"In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

13"Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.
14"For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.
A Tree and Its Fruit
15"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
16"You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?
17"So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.
18"A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit.
19"Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20"So then, you will know them by their fruits.
21"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
22"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

So there you have it. It is in my opinion that you are the only one who has behaved like a ravenous wolf. You clearly no nothing more than what you choose to see on the "outside".
The founder of this ministry who is an ordained pastor mind you, has given of his life, his time, his money, his everything to share Jesus with all who will listen. His obedience to God in educating the church about the wickedness of pornography that is running rampant in the church is something you are attacking! How dare you say you do this in the name and power of the Lord, Jesus Christ! You need to repent Michael. You are a distraction from the Truth. You are the very type of Christian that has turned the world off to Christianity and Jesus despised that himself. Spend more time reflecting on the Truth for your own life and your own relationship with God then put it into action and start serving people instead of tearing them down. You twist the scriptures and apply them as if they are not applicable to YOU.

I'm out of here... *shakes head in disbelief of this nonsense*

Matthew 10:28 (KJV)
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.


1 Cor. 3:17 (KJV)
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.


2 Thes. 2:8 (KJV)
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:


Rev. 2:23 (KJV)
And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.


2 Peter 2:4-9 (KJV)
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; [5] And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; [6] And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; [7] And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: [8] (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;) [9] The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:


2 Peter 2:20-22 (KJV)
For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. [21] For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. [22] But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.


Rev. 2:22 (KJV)
Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.


Rev. 20:14-15 (KJV)
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. [15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


XXXCHURCH with your sick ministry REPENT before its too late

michael

Michelle

My fleshly eyes should have seen Jesus when I looked at
XXXchurch inflatable 30 ft male sex organ? I suppose your wicked spiritual eyes would…
Quote;
(you saw through your fleshly eyes instead of looking with spiritual eyes. )



Quote;
(The founder of this ministry who is an ordained pastor mind you, has given of his life, his time, his money, his everything to share Jesus with all who will listen.)

Michelle
You should go to the next socalled healthy Christian church
with Craig Gross ,you could carry the 30 ft inflatable male sex organ in…
I’m sure they would cheer…you would be looked at as a great Christian…

Michelle your sick and wicked and a reprobate too

Repent before its too late

michael

God is Good!

Once again Michael did not answer my question nor did he offer any bible verses that show the love of God towards his people.

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to xxxchurch admin..
neither do I agree with nor endorse your behavior.

1; you stolen my music video,, your thieves..
2; you have a inflatable sex organ its blasphemy

what I do have to say is this;
XXXchurch your a bunch of wicked reprobates
and need to repent..


I am more than happy to stop all communication
with you and these sick people who support you!


michael..

You are turning Jesus into a law Michael!
Every man sins, however Jesus covers our sins. No man can say that they do not sin!

Jesus' grace covers our sin, his spilt blood washes us clean.
Do you sin Michael are you completely pure??

Stop acting self righteous.
James 4:6 "God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble."

When you are born again you do not stop sinning! But you have Jesus in you to wash away that sin!

Romans 5:20 "Where sin abounded, grace did much more abound."

Jason the law is for sinners,,, grace is for the righteous..
Ephesians 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
( does God create a sinning righteous person? )

Grace is NOT given to sinners.
Sinners are given a chance to repent,,
Grace is Jesus paying the price for their sin
We stand BY grace!
without repenting sinners cannot receive grace..
Repenting is Like a Car thief promising a Judge that he will stop stealing cars..
GET IT?

Here is your statements and correction

Quote;
You are turning Jesus into a law Michael!
Every man sins, however Jesus covers our sins. No man can say that they do not sin!

Answer;
the Law is for sinners its the schoolmaster to bring them to Christ,,, the LAW IS A CURSE
THE Law is Good,, it convicts the heart and can quicken the conscience and bring a wicked sinner
To place they will repent,,, they can see the consequences and choose Jesus and salvation..

(Every man sins)
answer…
sure everyman is born a sinner,, but some stop… a car thief can stop stealing cars if he wants..if he keep stealing cars the judge will put him in jail,,, God will send him to hell
..
(Jesus covers sin?)
Answer
Jesus covers sin is NO where in scripture it’s a lie from the devil…what Jesus does is make people free,,, Jesus’ blood cleanses and washes sin away,, never covers up a mess..

(“No man can ever say they do not sin“)
Answer
….again everyone starts out sinning,,, but a car thief that stops stealing cars dose not commit the sin of stealing cars anymore..

Your doctrine Jason is dangerous and a oxymoron ,,,its Satan that wants people sinning and trapped in it..
So stop agreeing with the doctrines of devils and start thinking for your self.

Quote; Jesus' grace covers our sin, his spilt blood washes us clean.

Answer this is a oxymoron
Covering up a mess is NOT washing it clean,,, your implication Christians always keep sinning means they remain a covered up sinning mess,,,,,, its nuts,,,, are they washed dirty?
YOU cover a dirty floor with a rug,,, or do you wash a floor clean and don’t need a rug..
Wake up…


Quote; Do you sin Michael are you completely pure??

Answer if a person is FREE from sin,, do they have to keep sinning?

Romans 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

quote:
Michael are you completely pure??
answer;
Without being Pure you cannot see GOD!
Matthew 5:8 (KJV)
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

So is real Christian completely pure? Or are they half pure and half dirty?
Titus 1:15 (KJV)
Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

>XXXchurch has a defile mind and no shame!<


Quote;
\Stop acting self righteous.

Answer;
People who keep sinning and claim to be Christians are self righteous,,
Otherwise Jesus is the minister of sin… Jason your self righteous
Because you freely admit your sinning and claim to be saved by Jesus
You have made Jesus’ blood unholy and your righteousness is in your own mind
And you have created another Christ one that accepts sinning..
Repent!

Quote;
When you are born again you do not stop sinning! But you have Jesus in you to wash away that sin!


Answer
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Jason can you read? Or are you blind?
REPENT


God is Good..
michael