OPPONENTS OR TEAMMATES

I don't even know where to start. The emails have been pouring in this week as people watch by the thousands me get body slammed by Ron Jeremy. Some think it is funny, some don't understand and several still have to criticize. Never in a million years when I first walked into a porn show 5 years ago did I think I would someday get in a wrestling ring with the biggest man in porn. For those of you that don't understand wrestling (WWE style) is not reality just like porn isn't reality. The night of Unscripted I laughed standing in the tunnel watching and listening as the wrestlers would exit their match. They would not even be into the tunnel and already be high fiving their opponent and talking to each other about the match, replaying it in their conversations, talking about the moves and the take downs and what they could make more entertaining the next time.

If you would have been in the green room, you would have watched as Ron picked me up and practiced the take down with me prior to going out, making sure he did not hurt me but making sure it look like it did. I was wearing tights. I was going to get into a ring and do this, why? Well, I guess what I would rather ask is why not? We are willing to do just about anything short of sin to get this message out. Does everything make sense? Does it have to.

Ron and his agent Mike picked me up today at the airport in Baltimore as we had a real porn debate scheduled tonight at the University of Baltimore. We drove in the car, I pulled up my lap top and showed Ron the video clip of the match and he could not get enough of it. He watched it a few times and we all had a good laugh.

A year ago, we filmed a commercial called "Pete The Porno Puppet" with pornographer JimmyD. Why? Because JimmyD wrote to us and saw something that intrigued him enough to volunteer his time and resources to help out xxxchurch. For me, it was never just about the commercial. Years later, I got to officiate the wedding of JimmyD's daughter on the beach in Santa Barbara, why? Because we became friends. When we were filming the commercial, could we see down the road and eventually foresee officiating a wedding? No.

The debate last night was different. Sure, the crowd was hostile, the questions were similar to debates in the past, the event was sold out. It was different because last night I was invited into Ron's world just a little bit more. Normally, Ron and I each arrive, head to the debate, do the debate, go to dinner, hang out, then fly home. Today, was different. Ron's agent had lined up a gig for Ron after the debate. Ron was to make an appearance at a new night clubs in Washington DC. They invited me to join them and I agreed. We head down the highway and pulled over to grab a bite to eat prior to the show. I am a fan of a few restaurant chains; Bahama Breeze, Texas Road House, but the car stops at Hooters. My wife and I don't frequent Hooters (although I did learn today that kids eat free). Still, not where I choose to eat. Ron and Mike however do dine at Hooters. So now I have a decision to make. Do I sit in the car? Do I ask them to drop me off at the restaurant across the street while they eat. Do I alienate myself from this guy who has become a friend by saying, "I'd love to eat with you, I just can't do it here."

I don't know what you would do, but I went inside. We sat down and shared a meal. The crowds followed just like they do at any restaurant with Ron, but this time it was all the waitresses, the manager, the supervisor, everyone in a Hooters uniform at some point interrupted our dinner and wanted a photo with their camera phone. I ended up taking most of the photos for everyone. One of the waitresses was not working but was there picking up her paycheck or something and came by asking for a photo and was with her son. Her son was maybe 9 or 10 year old. She asked Ron for a photo and I ended up taking the photo of Ron, her, and her son. Then she said, can you take one of just Ron and my son? Why? I can't answer that. I don't know. I went to the bathroom and just prayed for that waitress and her son.

I wonder what it would have been like to hang out with Jesus. To join him for dinner and watch the circus that I am sure was created all around him. I think of Zacchaeus who had Jesus over for dinner because Jesus just invited himself over one day.

A few weeks back, Don Golden said to me, "All you can do with Ron is keep inviting him into your world." He was talking about the great commission when he said he thought it was less about preaching to people and just calling people to a confession, and more about inviting the lost into your world and sharing your friends, family, beliefs with them overtime. That gave me a new outlook. That excited me when he said that, because Ron is open to experiencing my world. He has met my family, my friends, pastors of mine, and now as he invites me into his world, the question is what is my response?

How far do you go? Is it a give and take relationship with the lost, is it a trade for trade arrangement. I will go to Hooters with you, if you go to church with me? I don't know. I just come back to anything short of sin. Ron didn't invite me to dinner to try and drag me down or trip up my testimony. He invited me to dinner at one of his favorite restaurants just like I have done with him in. Is there a line? Sure. But dinner at Hooters didn't cross it for me.

The question we kept answering at Hooters? What are you doing tonight in Maryland? We are doing a debate tonight on the issue of pornography we both said. And, then everyone wants to know who the opponent was. They were repeatedly surprised when Ron points across the table at me.

Sure in our world most opponents don't gather for dinner together before a match. I guess that is my first lesson learned tonight. I would rather be a friend then an opponent any day of the week. Christians have way too many opponents. We as christians gather together in our groups way too much, stay inclusive in our circles way too much, devise game plans and strategies for reaching our opponents way too often, come up with emergent lingo, which our own do not even understand. When in reality I believe what would make Jesus happier is just being friends. "Hey Zacchaeus, tonight I am coming to your house for dinner...." Those disagreements, those points we think we need to prove, those sins we think we need to call out, I believe most of the time will fall on deaf ears unless you are friends.

After the debate, my friend Jonathan joined up with me and we headed to DC. We were taken to the back of the club. We were given special ALL ACCESS VIP Ron Jeremy lanyards and ushered into a crowded night club. It was approaching midnight. I don't do this stuff. I have two kids and a wife. Jonathan who joined me has three kids and a wife. The lanyard made people assume I was part of the team. I sure was not security, come on, we have seen what I look like in tights. Was I part of the team? Yes in fact I was. The announcement of the sound system was loud and clear, the man of the hour had arrived. We stood off to the side and just let everyone do their thing. Ron was hounded for a few good hours. Photos, autographs, you name it. We just stood off to the side. I watched the crowd slowly fade as we went into the night. And eventually Ron sat at an empty couch, exhausted, and the party was nearly over. I knew eventually all the craziness would only last a few hours, it would eventually come to an end. It is all temporary, the fame, the sex, the girls, the life and eventually it all will go away not just for Ron but for everyone. Then what?

Ron looked at me and said, "Pull up a seat."

I John 2:15 says... Stop loving the evil world and all it has to offer, for the world offers the craze for sex, ambition to buy everything you see, and pride that comes from being wealthy or important. The world is fading away quickly along with everything it craves but if you do the will of God you will live forever.

By 2:30 am the club was empty. I stayed. Why? because when all these things fade away what is left is only Faith, Hope, and Love. I gave back my all access pass and headed back to hotel, but realized we are on the same team. I don't need the lanyard anymore to see that. The differences about porn we will leave to the debate, but in life, Ron Jeremy can not be an opponent. He must be a friend, and friends share friends and invite each other into their world. We're more alike than different, we both have struggles, challenges, etc, but when it comes down to it, the only difference between Ron and I is that I have a relationship with Jesus that Ron doesn't have that yet. But we'll keep sharing dinner, sharing our friendship, and sharing our lives, and maybe one of these days we'll have that in common too.

Pray for the upcoming porn debate tour as Ron and I share a bus for 7 days as we go from Milwaukee to New York and as we share our friends and our worlds with each other. Both of us would love to see you out on the tour.

Goodnight

Craig

Jay in MEXICO wrote on May 10th 07 at 12:01AM

Craig, I know you are just a man just like me... so to say some cute little comment like "dude, you're the man!!!" would not be entirely appropriate.

I love your heart bro, your honest humility 'hey we are all messed up and in need of grace' kind of attitude.

Good job buddy - you are in my prayers, keep it up!!!

You are doing the right thing. People will always attack that. There is too much to do, and too many lives to be impacted with the love of God to let ourselves become distracted and caught up in the sideline activity of everyone yelling at ya. When you are on the field... you just gotta play the game

keep running - you've got the ball - go for a touchdown!

Adam wrote on May 10th 07 at 12:27AM

Great post man. I am praying for you both. This is great stuff and really inspiring to me. You guys are teaching me a lot through your ministry in how to be friends with the lost and it's very refreshing.

I'm just continually frustrate and disappointed with the opposition you get from other brothers and sisters in the faith. So I'm praying for the whole Church to wake up and get to basics and actually love. I'm also praying that I'll do the same, and also show love to other Christians who don't quite get it.

Anyway, thanks for sharing this. Truly.

matt wrote on May 10th 07 at 08:59AM

I'm hoping to see you guys in Boston in August..the way you live your life daily is an inspiration to me to keep up the good fight..be blessed as your travel.

jihn wrote on May 10th 07 at 09:43AM

dude youre a dirty sinner going to those places...

read the bible dude and you'll see jesus didn't go where prostitutes made there living, he talked with them in public, not a bar or a strip resturaunt.

horrible

nonsparker wrote on May 10th 07 at 10:14AM

You Rock! How are you going to start a relation ship with some one in public? You can only truly get to know someone when you know where they came from and where they are now.
I have never had a meaningful relationship with anyone without exchanging worlds.

Kudos Craig for jumping over the cliff with the safety net that is Jesus. You are jumping trying to help someone that has no net. You risk when others would point and say "Someone should help that guy."

Kevin wrote on May 10th 07 at 10:18AM

Keep your head, keep your faith and know that you are prayed for every day. The hope you provide to Ron and so many others is rare and so desperately needed.

I think Ron will come around before the end - maybe not publicly, but Jesus'll get 'em.

Blessings,
Kevin

kuhmpashun wrote on May 10th 07 at 10:51AM

Great post... thank you for that awesome story with the scripture weaved in there, it was very interesting to read. I will have to admit I have no idea what I would do given that situation to either go to Hooters or not given the "status" you are holding right now. But we are called to be bold and you are sir, you are lol.

To Jihn,
I understand where you are coming from brother, however on the corner where the prositutes stood IS where they made their living at that time... I think the point here is that God/Jesus has a veil put up on Craigs eyes so that he might be able to go to these porn conventions/hooters/club or whatever without being affected, and see those people as Jesus sees them. (Read My Wounded Heart on this site to understand where I am coming from).

Our soceity has shunned away all of the sin into these dark, enclosed places. Right or Wrong doesnt matter, what does matter is that in the issue of Porn and Sexual Immorality how else are we supposed to reach these people?? Its not for everyone, but for those that can find the strength in God to go there and spread the Gospel and reach out to people trusting completely that our Lord will protect them... well... we should all be so lucky to have that kind of privilage.

However, if you feel you have a better or just different way, I would encourage you to act on that... but please remember before acting, we have enough picketters and people shouting, IF that is where you want to go. We are not called to condem, but love!

God Bless,

Kuhmpashun

kuhmpashun wrote on May 10th 07 at 10:53AM

One more thing Jihn, we are all dirty sinners

T.J. wrote on May 10th 07 at 12:12PM

That's awesome Craig....Keep walking in that love that God gives us.

Jay in MEXICO wrote on May 10th 07 at 03:09PM

Dude, John... if you are the "John" from the other post - give it up already man!

Go bark up a tree in the HATEMAIL forum

alan parker wrote on May 10th 07 at 07:38PM

Keep going Craig! Don't you ever give up and don't let the religious crowd keep discourage you. We are experiencing attitudes from the churches here in Fayetteville GA because of our Pancakes and Porn event but I don't care. I am already seeing God deliver people from this destructive way of life. Ron will become a believer. I believe that and I claim that in the name of my Lord, Jesus Christ.
I'm praying for you, J.R., Mario, Rob, Michelle, Jonathan and the entire ministry of 3X. I love you guys,
Alan Parker - Pastor New Vision Church Fayetteville, GA

Verne wrote on May 10th 07 at 11:56PM

Craig,
Awesome post. Good for you not to go along, with the world, but to be a friend - the last person there is showing the love of Jesus. Nice.
Boy, we need your guys help here in Regina, SK., Canada. The last two days in the paper there have been 5 articles regarding sexual deviancy. These involve a couple whom were babysitting kids and using them to make child porn. A 41 year old businessman exposing himself on a webcam to a 12 year old girl (actually police). There was also an article about a sex offender being released, and finally a 30 year old Regina City police officer has been fired for a sexually explicit email sent to a 16 year old whom he had arrested earlier.
Keep on being a friend and reaching out. If you ever want to venture up here, we'd love to have you!

brad singleton wrote on May 11th 07 at 09:49AM

craig,
I believe that as Jesus looks at your life he probably thinks, "I am so proud of him, he actually gets it." Stay strong bro, God is on your side. I believe that someday your going to see Ron Jeremy with you at a porn show passing out Bibles with you!

John Ware wrote on May 11th 07 at 12:51PM

This sounds weird, but reading this blog put tears in my eyes. God has blessed your faith, perseverance, and passion by giving you the opportunity to speak into and have relationship with somebody like Ron Jeremy. Ron isn't a trophy to be won, but a human being with an eternal soul and I love the fact that you see him that way. What all of you do is incredible and I love how it ticks other Christians off. WHen Christians are ticked off, it must mean your doing something right?

Adam wrote on May 11th 07 at 12:55PM

This is very interesting. I stumbled upon your website quite awhile ago and added a link from my website. My website is not a huge website, just something that my family and friends check out from time to time. I was going through my links and came here and ended up reading about this porn debate thing. I will be reading more to learn more about what you are doing. I have heard of Ron Jeremy and his world, I am glad to know that he has a friend that has that relationship wih Christ. How powerful would that be if Mr. Jeremy were to find Christ? This is something that I will pray about. God Bless...

fred wrote on May 11th 07 at 01:49PM

if ron jeremy recieves christ, I'm sure x3 church will market it like crazy.....look what we did....look we do have a valid ministry.

Flavius wrote on May 11th 07 at 02:47PM

Fred, you have a point--3x Church is "the exhibitionists ball." But essentially they are activists, and you can hardly be an activist without being an exhibitionist, can you? (That's how the prohibitionists did their thing.) That's a trade I guess I'm willing to make. Exhibitionists & Activists make big public spectacles to spark a debate they think is necessary. Ron Jeremy is an exhibitionist too, and I'm sure that if he comes to Jesus he'll still be one, ready to mix it up in a new kettle.

Craig annoys me to no end. But he stirs a pot that needs stirring. So STIR IT UP, BABY!!

Flavius wrote on May 11th 07 at 03:33PM

Now here's my comment.

Eating at Hooters is a "line to cross"? Going to a night club is a "line"? For me the line is when I am in danger of being arrested, beaten up, or wetting my pants. I don't spend enough time dancing on that line, I regret.

Why does everyone assume that deep down Craig, or I, want to be a porn-star, or do a porn star, or do a stripper, or a do a prostitute? What's with that?? I didn't want to do that even before I found life in Jesus, back when I was so vulnerable to the things I'm now ashamed of.

God has given me a life of pure joy and enthusiasm. I NEVER had that before Jesus, and I do not want to go back, and I'm not afraid I will go back.

Think about this, boys. Your eyes are a vulnerable part of your body, right? How do they stay clean? By scabbing over? NO. They stay pure by constantly OVERFLOWING. How does a heart stay clean? Same way! Not by trying to form a hard shell. Heck, even when the bible talks about the "armor of God", the armor is NOT ARMOR! It is things that God fills you with inside that overflow from your life. The greek word pleroo, FULL, is used over 90 times the NT. Jesus came that we have life more pleroo!

How much more clear can it be? Being afraid of the dark can not make even the tiniest flicker of light. The Light shines in darkness -- darkness cannot overcome it!! Darkness cannot put out a light. So be full of the Holy Spirit and overflow the light of God in the dark places.

Just because something is interesting or exciting or arousing doesn't mean you have to throw your own ass into hell chasing it.

Christy wrote on May 11th 07 at 07:40PM

There are two kinds of lost people. Those who are seeking Christ and the change He makes and those NOT interested in Him at all or a changed life. At this point in his life, Ron Jeremy falls into that group not interested in a changed life. You won't be able to win him to Christ until he IS interested, if he ever IS. We can not bring people to Christ on our own. The Holy Spirit prepares their hearts and then uses us, if we allow Him to, to help finish the job. People going to a porn show aren't going to find Jesus, they are going to find porn. Zacchaeus was LOOKING for Jesus. In fact, he went to where Jesus was teaching and climbed up in a tree so that he could see him better, thats how bad he WANTED to come to God. See the difference?

The problem with the way XXXChurch is going about this is, not with those like Ron Jeremy, but rather with those people who ARE looking for God and desperately want something different for their life. They can't see a change if a Pastor and his staff are doing the same thing they are doing...attending porn shows, eating at Hooters, and going to strip clubs. It makes you no different then them. And as a Christian, you should be a lot different if you REALLY have Jesus in your heart. Why should anyone want what you have if you're no different and you do the same thing they are doing w/o Christ. Those who have never known God, but desperately want to, need to hear a CLEAR true message in order to win eternally. Thats the problem with XXXChurch. The message isn't clear and theres always a part left out. God IS a God of love but He is also a Holy God and coming to Him means you no longer want that life of sin. ITS A TURN FROM SIN AND A TURN TO GOD.

How many people were saved at the porn debate? How many people were saved at the porn shows? The truth is everyone already knows porn is bad and that it is everywhere, its Christ they need more of. Its the plan of salvation that those LOOKING for God need to hear, not more about porn.

Food for thought: If your ministry is geared towards reaching those in the porn industry why have a porn and pancake breakfast then? After all, they already know porn. Give them something they don't know, like Jesus. Or do you just think Jesus is so boring that you have to add the word porn to spice it up a bit? And please don't say you use porn to attract those in the industry because if they AREN'T LOOKING for God already, you're not going to be able to help them anyway. The Holy Spirit prepares their hearts...not XXXChurch.

el clinto wrote on May 11th 07 at 08:25PM

@Christy: way to go!!! You totally missed what we're about. 10 points!!!

fred wrote on May 11th 07 at 09:40PM

@elclinto...did you even read the post, she makes great points, it sounds like you just dont want to admit shortcomings of x3 church, every ministry has them...

just admit it and tell everyone that you guys are after media attention and fame...

Jay in MEXICO wrote on May 12th 07 at 02:11AM

Hey Christy - how's it going?

Mmmm... think of it this way. In life there are 2 kinds of people. Those who are THIRSTY and looking for water and those who are not.

NOBODY says... "hey, I am gonna go eat a bunch of salt to make myself thirsty, and THEN I am gonna be interested in something to drink!"

Salt has a very peculiar effect - it provokes THRIST.

Salty salt is not going to produce thrist if it is not in your mouth.

SO... those who are thristy "deserve" to have a drink... and those who are not thristy... what about them?

Are we not salt? The world is not looking for us... and they WON'T look for us - especially with how cheesy we can be sometimes.

Jesus said one key word....

GO

The word "GO" is an action, it is a verb... it requires a decision to process the command and then act upon it.

To get real theological... the Greek word for "Church" is the word EKKLESIA which literally translated means - "THOSE WHO ARE CALLED TO GO OUT"

ok... so Jesus left the 99 to go for the 1

The Apostle Paul surely wasn't "thirsty" or "looking for Jesus when Jesus went out of his way to reach him - so... I am not attacking you, but I just don't get your point.

Jesus ate with sinners, he freaked folks out for hanging with the unclean - he even touched lepers... the most dirtiest people on the planet - the most condemned - most outcast of the society

There was a key question that the Leper asked Jesus... "IF YOU ARE WILLING - you can heal me" This guy was pleading... he was saying everybody else has rejected me - everybody else even my own family have abandoned me.... but you - you are the ONLY HOPE that I have got... but are you willing.

Jesus said, "I am willing - be healed"

now, if Jesus just wanted us to sit around until the thristy come to their senses and search us out... than he would have said that, but he didn't. He said GO - that means leaving one place (usually our comfort zone and nice pretty little world) and going to another (usually to where people are at... in Jesus day it was the highways and the byways). Yeah he preached in churches... but he ate with liars, theives, prostitutes, and as some of the critics in here put it... "dirty little sinners."

and you know what? We are called to do the same. We are called to be IN the world but not OF it. That means going to Hooters with Ron Jeremy - eating some chicken wings and saying "Dear Jesus, my life, my love, your word, your power... let it provoke thirst in these folks here... let my life be different... I am here, but this is NOT ME... this does not appeal to me... but I am here for a reason - there are people lost without hope"

I know we aren't really going to get anywhere answering each and every person that doubts this stuff. Ok, maybe you personally are not called to "THIS" style of ministry. There are LOTS of opportunities out there. The most important thing is to really live the life in private, and in public and to be light and salt in a dark place.

If they are not looking... we are not provoking enough thirst. We are to blame, not them - and the burden is on our shoulders, not thiers. We will have to give an account for them.

The question we need to ask ourselves is...

ARE WE WILLING? Jesus was

Paul wrote on May 12th 07 at 02:09PM

Keep it up guys. Your ministry is important. Jay hit the mark when he said we need to go.

In the world but not of the world...

Travis wrote on May 13th 07 at 08:17PM

My pastor shared this article with our church in Indianapolis this morning. Keep up the hard work! This is an incredibly bold ministry, and it must take a TON of strength the Lord is providing you to do this. I pray that He will continue to strengthen you and that your efforts will bear fruit. Nothing done in Christ returns void.

Bless you for having the strength to Go, as Jesus said.

Sean wrote on May 14th 07 at 08:14PM

This has been an interesting read.

I don't know what I would do if I were in your situation- whether I would go to Hooters or not. But I wouldn't not go to Hooters because of some moral reason or principle, if I decided not to go to Hooters, it would be because I didn't want to stumble. Isn't that the point? I think it is cool that you hang out with Ron Jeremy. I don't think Christianity would ever have much appeal to people like him if there weren't believers in their lives to make it appealing. I don't get why some people don't grasp that this is what Christianity is about. Tell me again, Christy and Fred, how the people who have never known gracious Christians are supposed to come to Christ? It is in relationship with believers that nonbelievers have a chance. As long as the believer has more influence in the relationship than the nonbeliever, there is nothing to fear.

Vegas Art Guy wrote on May 14th 07 at 10:02PM

You did the right thing by going to Hooters. After all, Paul went to all the temples in Athens and examined them closely. He obviously saw things he did not like. But, he was there to show them the way. Before you can bring people to God you need to build a relationship with them first. That is what you are doing with Ron. All we can do is plant the seed and hope it takes.

West wrote on May 16th 07 at 10:33AM

To the guys who are bitching:

If Christ was here to save only you, He would have done it all over again. Don't bang on Craig. He was beating himself up the whole time he was at Hooters. But he was there to continue living Christ in front of Ron. Sure Ron's famous for using his hangy-downy part, and it would be a huge marketing ploy (if they chose to go that route). But who cares....as long as Ron eventually develops a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

I read this post on the edge of my seat waiting to see what was going to come next as I scrolled down.

Awesome, Craig.....just awesome.....I pray for you and this ministry every day.

p.s. Christy and fred! how did both of you miss the point at the same time?

Sean wrote on May 16th 07 at 05:26PM

West-

"But who cares....as long as Ron eventually develops a personal relationship with Jesus Christ."

Come on now. Do you really believe that building rapport with nonchristians is worthless if they don't eventually come to Christ? I don't like the underlying vibe. It may not have been intentional, but this sends the message that the only reason believers have relationship with nonbelievers is because we hope they get saved. I mean, whatever happened to genuine love, anyways? Don't we love because God first loved us? Everyone needs love. Come on now. I mean, it is cool to hope someone comes to Christ, but even if they don't, that doesn't mean the love invested is worthless. At least we'll have lived like Jesus, who gave without actively expecting visible returns here on earth, living for eternal rewards while hoping for earthly returns (converts).

I would hate to see what unbelievers think when Christians see this post and then how they might respond to Christians who try to befriend them. "What is your real motive for befriending me anyways?"

Sean wrote on May 16th 07 at 05:27PM

I meant "unintentional", not "intentional". Sorry.

Love’s No Politician at Zoomtard wrote on May 18th 07 at 05:57AM

[...] This is one of the best blog posts that x3church.com have ever published. Watch the video of Ron Jeremy and Craig Gross wrestling beforehand to get some context. [...]

Vegas Art Guy wrote on May 18th 07 at 08:30PM

At some point do you think you could post a transcript of a debate for us?

Keep up the good work...

West wrote on May 19th 07 at 05:21PM

Sean, when I first read your retort, I was pissed then I went back and read mine. You are absolutely correct in that it was not worthless. It's sad, but not worthless that one makes friends with a non-christian and they do not come to Christ. I love my non-Christian friends just as much as my Christian friends, but selfishly, I hope the non-believers come to Christ.

What Craig is doing is awesome just in the fact that he is doing it in the way I believe Christ intended.

So, yes, I made a flippant remark, but I still stand by it that they can market whatever they want and how awesome God is by the thought that Ron could be come a believer.

Willbrojnr wrote on May 22nd 07 at 11:46AM

There is that verse in Romans which says that we have to be in the wordl not of it. You cannot do that when sitting in the pews and not seeing the world outside.

We are living in a fallen world that claims it does not need Jesus. Everyone needs Jesus and they are not coming to us we have to go to them.

"The problem with the way XXXChurch is going about this is, not with those like Ron Jeremy, but rather with those people who ARE looking for God and desperately want something different for their life. They can't see a change if a Pastor and his staff are doing the same thing they are doing...attending porn shows, eating at Hooters, and going to strip clubs. It makes you no different then them. And as a Christian, you should be a lot different if you REALLY have Jesus in your heart. Why should anyone want what you have if you're no different and you do the same thing they are doing w/o Christ. Those who have never known God, but desperately want to, need to hear a CLEAR true message in order to win eternally. Thats the problem with XXXChurch. The message isn't clear and theres always a part left out. God IS a God of love but He is also a Holy God and coming to Him means you no longer want that life of sin. ITS A TURN FROM SIN AND A TURN TO GOD.

How many people were saved at the porn debate? How many people were saved at the porn shows? The truth is everyone already knows porn is bad and that it is everywhere, its Christ they need more of. Its the plan of salvation that those LOOKING for God need to hear, not more about porn.

Food for thought: If your ministry is geared towards reaching those in the porn industry why have a porn and pancake breakfast then? After all, they already know porn. Give them something they don't know, like Jesus. Or do you just think Jesus is so boring that you have to add the word porn to spice it up a bit? And please don't say you use porn to attract those in the industry because if they AREN'T LOOKING for God already, you're not going to be able to help them anyway. The Holy Spirit prepares their hearts...not XXXChurch."


Here are my thoughts from part of your post and I have taken it one paragraph at a time.
Christy I have an alternative thought which you will probably shoot down. Ok so what happens when they see a Pastor in a place like Hooters? Maybe it sets them thinking maybe they see the pastor in a different way. That sparks a discussion that they would more than likely never have before. But without that pastor being there it might never happen. God has an inate sense of timing and everything happens for a reason.

You are right in that everyone needs God. But how are they going to get that message without Christians going to where they are. One simple discussion is all it takes and it opens the door for God to start working.


Why have a porn and pancakes? Simply because there are those who profess to be Christians who have problems in this area. They need all the support they can get and they need to be encouraged to come forward and deal with the problems.

It says in 1 Corinthains that we must flee from sexual immorality and once you are in that trap it is very difficult without help to get out of it.

And your last statement I am a little bemused by. A lot of porn stars have not heard the good news. So my question is how can they search for Jesus if they have no knowledge or a very superficial knowledge of him? Just a thought. I do agree with you though that its the Holy Spirit that does the work.

Anyway here are my thoughts and I look forward to your response. I hope that I have no been rude or inflamatory.

God Bless

Dave

Schnig wrote on May 27th 07 at 10:53PM

Goes without saying...MUCH NEEDED MINISTRY.
Goes without saying...the more needed the ministry, the more the Devil will try to undermine it.
Goes without saying...the LEADERS of ministries are the most vulnerable to contributing to their downfalls...we can all name a number of recent examples.

So I just think the knee-jerk sarcastic and negative reactions I have read through out the website to criticism, no matter how constructive it may be, is a VERY DANGEROUS THING. Differing opinions in Christianity are NOT necessarily bad. We can all help each other see things from other perspectives.

So I bravely go on...
I think one of the difficulties with the constant comparison with what xxx does and what Jesus did, needs to undergo a little more critical thought in light of a VERY important difference in our society compared to Jesus day. In Jesus day, the difference between the sinners Jesus was befriending and the society they lived in was VERY strongly deliniated. Everyone KNEW that these people were sinners. Everyone KNEW that what they did and where they hung out and who they hung out with was BAD. Sin was called sin in that society. Our situation today is MUCH more difficult. My goodness...just look at that poor deluded mother. She wanted a picture of her child...her CHILD, with the porn star. We have NO example of what Jesus would have done in THAT situation. We have only the example of his love and care and respect for children...so I just CANNOT wrap my brain around him taking that picture. This is just one example of why I believe we SHOULD be bolding witnessing and HUMBLY LISTENING to ALL the ideas about how best to handle this EXTREMELY DELICATE SUBJECT. There is a danger here...not just to the people using porn. But to us as Christians. PRIDE is DANGEROUS. "MINISTRY" above the MESSAGE is dangerous. And sometimes, just straddling that line is dangerous. Please, let people communicate their concerns in love, and humbly and prayerfully consider all opinions. God Bless

JasonS wrote on May 29th 07 at 12:32PM

Who cares about Christianity? I don't even know what that word means...except that it seems to make unbelievers tune you out as soon as you start talking.

Instead, let's just tell people about Jesus. Let's invite them into our lives with Jesus. And let's allow Jesus to love them -- unconditionally -- through us. He loves them powerfully, and he longs for them more than any addict craves porn.

So which hang-up are we going to use and justify before the the throne as something that kept us from sharing his love? "I'm sorry, Lord, but it was a **Hooters**!" He never once feared the feedback of the religious as He sought out the lost, and I praise God for giving Craig the intensity of love it took to get him to walk into that restaurant.

Jesus said that prostitutes and tax collectors are crashing into his Kingdom ahead of the religious (in today's language, that's like saying porn stars and Enron executives). So where does that leave us as non-prostitute, non-tax-collector believers?

Are we open to allowing the shattering, life-ripping, topsy-turvy, upside-down love of Jesus to operate fully in your life, to take us where He would go and love as He would love? Or would we instead cling to our pleasantly safe moral existences.

So put away your Christian merit badges or membership cards, people. The lost just don't care. But they are VERY interested in Jesus.

Keep at it guys. Stay humble. Seek Jesus. And keep loving the unlovable. We're praying.

Jay wrote on May 29th 07 at 12:33PM

I just want to post my support, I'm not here to debate anything, I simply think that what you are doing is advancing the Kingdom. Let people be offended by trying to reach the marginalized, Jesus got the same flak. Enjoy adversity! To be hated for Christ is one of the greatest, yet most difficult joys in ministry! You should sell super-hero posters of yourselves. I'd put one up on my wall.

JM wrote on May 29th 07 at 12:50PM

This reminds me of a real situation that occurred in a small town I lived in about 10 years ago. An abortion clinic had moved into town and the director of the clinic was a rather brash, outspoken individual. The church in the area was extremely upset about the presence of the clinic and several churches banded together to picket the clinic - but the abortions continued.

A certain pastor in town decided to take a different approach and befriended the clinic director. He and his family would have him over for dinner, go bowling with him, etc. Many other church leaders in the area were outraged that this pastor would be seen in public with such an individual and questioned the pastor's faith. After a period of time had passed, the clinic director gave his life to Christ and denounced his occupation. In the months that followed, he repeatedly said how this pastor was the first christian he met who reached out to him in love instead of judgment.

In the years that have followed, when I have felt it was my 'duty' to point a finger of Christian righteousness in someone else's direction, I recall this situation that I was fortunate enough to witness first hand, and the important lessons that I learned.

yhurg wrote on May 29th 07 at 01:09PM

Wonderful story and I look forward to the day when Ron Jeremy and the Lord reconcile.

Eric Hornback wrote on May 29th 07 at 01:51PM

Wow, that was POWERFUL!!!! Also, the posting By JM on 5.29.2007 at 12:50 AM. THIS IS AUTHENTIC BIBLICAL SPIRIT LED CHRISTIANITY. Praise God, Rock on!

Pastor Eric

John wrote on May 29th 07 at 02:55PM

This is just my 2 cents for the people who doubt that God could be using/leading this ministry.

Read Hosea Chapter 1 and think again about what God can or cannot use for His glory.

X3 - Keep it up. Stay strong.

Rob McIlvoy wrote on May 29th 07 at 04:04PM

Way to go! Keep up the great work.

Brian wrote on May 29th 07 at 04:06PM

Way to go Craig. Hooters' food just isn't good. That's why you shouldn't eat there. But you were in Maryland and I doubt there are too many good wings places in Maryland. Praying for you and for Ron. Stay close to Jesus, He's dangerous.

Brian wrote on May 29th 07 at 04:07PM

Jesus is dangerous.

Jason wrote on May 29th 07 at 06:23PM

inspiring... thanks for your example

peteherb wrote on May 29th 07 at 07:56PM

sup Craig. great post. If Christians arent out there spending time with the people Jesus wants to know, how do we expect them to meet him?

Christians, get out of your self-righteous holy bubble, get some balls & challenge the world with the same love Jesus has.
As JR said on Nightline:
""If you truely want to make a difference in this world as a Christian, get your butt out of the pew & squarely into the community & do something for another human being!"

Peace & a sword,
peteherb
UK

Kyle wrote on May 29th 07 at 07:57PM

I'm proud of you. Thanks for understanding the importance of relationship building. I'm not good at it myself but I'm blessed with role models like you.

Thanks for being who God made you.

Rich wrote on May 29th 07 at 08:21PM

Jesus said, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners." Matthew 9:12-13

Darren Barkman wrote on May 29th 07 at 08:27PM

Craig -

I agree with many on this site - I love your heart and your desire to reach one (Ron's) heart. I'm not sure if I would be able to do what you did, but that's not the point. You did SOMETHING! You saw an opening, an opportunity, and you went for it! That is awesome! So many who will sit and criticize will do NOTHING! You took a risk! God will reward you and X3 for it! God bless!

Bill wrote on May 29th 07 at 10:14PM

Many blesings,
Your heart is there. I wish Ron would have had a chance at the real screen. I enjoyed Boondock Saints, etc. He is funny. Bring him home... pray for the guy. Remember, he should have been on Broadway or Friends!! Keep up the good work.

Bill wrote on May 29th 07 at 10:17PM

ps- Ive been to those places too and a few times so a friend didnt get shot or robbed!

Eric wrote on May 29th 07 at 10:55PM

I almost cried as I read and visualize through you what Jesus must have felt when he dined with the tax collectors, 'sinners' and prostitutes. Keep up the good work bro!

Dennis wrote on May 30th 07 at 12:00AM

I can't say I've read every post here, in fact I didn't, but I did read a few. It seems to me that the most important thing is that Craig demonstrated the love of God rather than condemnation of the "person" of Ron Jeremy rather than just judging his actions and opinions. Christy seemed to think that saving Ron Jeremy or at least somebody at the debate was the goal. I say that is all secondary. Getting out the message that there is a way out of one's enslavement to sin, no matter the type (porn addiction, adultery, murder, envy, gossip, or even over-eating) is the message of the cross. All you guys who condemn him for going to a Hooter's are falling into a trap just like the Pharisees who called Jesus a glutton and a drunkard. Were we all to be under a microscope like Craig has allowed himself, just think of all the criticism we would be getting for what we honestly believe to be acceptable choices.
Craig, I think that what you are doing with RJ is commendable if only because it has given you the chance to share the gospel, to live the gospel, in front of all those who are slaves to this type of sin but haven't figured out why they are in such bondage. I know because I have been there, and it sucks! God bless you in your ministry, guys. If it weren't for X3, I'd probably still be stuck in a rut. Keep it up, no matter whether you see seeds planted or fruit ripen. Growth is His job- spreading the seeds, our job.

Jeffery D. wrote on May 30th 07 at 01:31AM

Craig,
You showed Ron the very thing every man on here has craved. Thank you. Give him some more.

pdub wrote on May 30th 07 at 01:39AM

nice Craig! you never cease to have the drive for this. how is mr. cali man holding up in the bible belt? prayin for ya...

Andrew Rennie wrote on May 30th 07 at 05:14AM

I feel so provoked by this blog. This is the most amazing most challenging thing I have read in ages... possibly ever! I have so much to learn. You guys are a pain in my ass because you challenge me to change! Keep up the awesome work.

Andrew

Bobby wrote on May 30th 07 at 05:28AM

I see the aim of the ministry which is great. However I find that scripture is at odds with the method perhaps. Paul said to "not keep company w/ fornicators". In other words, don't hang out w/ them. "What communion has light with darkness? Flee fornication. Avoid even the appearance of sin". Hangin' w/ Ron Jeremy clearly is contrary to the Word. The Word is never wrong. There is a way to achieve your goal while Biblical but I don't think you've found it yet. God bless you with wisdom and discernment.

PBJ wrote on May 30th 07 at 05:34AM

I have read almost every post here. And all I can say is wow. I thought most of us are on the same team. Yet we get caught up with whether hooters is a place of sin or whether hanging out with the biggest porn king is a sin. Here is a thought to think about, if Craig made this a daily habit, I would say that he would be opening himself up to sin. But I am sure that most of the time he spends with other like minded people who love Christ. Jesus did go to the down and out and sinners but most of his time was spent with 12 men who were like minded and hungry for more of God. I think the biggest issue is who we spend most of our time with. If it is sinners then it will be hard to take the right stand.

Craig keep up the good work, but make sure that who you surround yourself with doesn't get unbalanced one way or the other.

PBJ wrote on May 30th 07 at 05:37AM

One more thought, what God has called Craig to do is not an open license for Christians to go and hang out at the strip clubs.

If you are struggling with porn then flee the temptation. Don't let Satan trick you into thinking you can go there and witness, because the control of lust over your life must be broken and that takes time and accountability.

JM wrote on May 30th 07 at 05:52AM

PBJ's comments seem to provide a reasoned approach to these kinds of issues. We cannot, nor should we, insulate ourselves from the very people Christ wants us to reach. Yet at the same time, it is vital for our own spiritual health for us to remain connected and accountable to other believers. A delicate, yet attainable, balance.

Kevin wrote on May 30th 07 at 07:27AM

I hope the hate mail, the criticism, all the resistance, I hope that it fuels you guys to continue your mission. Everyone loves to hate, but not nearly as many love to love. What's funny is that Christians think they are the bearers of Good News and they are bringing the change to the sinner, when at the end of the day it is the sinner, the "unbeliever", that brings out the loving change in them. Your ministry is in my humble prayers.

Spread the love.

Melissa wrote on May 30th 07 at 07:32AM

I think what you all are doing is amazing, stay strong in the Lord and I know He will continue to bless you and your team.

Matt wrote on May 30th 07 at 08:00AM

Awesome. Awesome. Awesome. Craig, God is using you in more ways than you know. Stay on track with your calling. And remember-the religious criticize everyone so they can feel better. Don't take that stuff personal. Proud of you bro!

Pinball wrote on May 30th 07 at 09:53AM

Bobby, thank you for providing the most gracious form of criticism in this list of responses. You're calling it as you see it, and praying for God's wisdom. That is love, my friends.

While I think it is proper for Craig and his team to constantly check themselves and their motives and their reactions to these environments, it is just as proper for the rest of us to do the same. In what ways are we susceptible to judging another man's servant? To elevating the Law over the One who gave it? To attempting to fulfill it to satisfy our pride?

The greatest enemy of the gospel -- the power of God for salvation -- is NOT porn or abortion or alcohol or drugs or racism or sexism or another religion or atheism or even Satanism. The greatest enemy of the gospel is moralism. It is the belief that we can be good enough for God to bless us.

Yet our obedience to God and his Law flows from our love for Christ because of his sacrifice in our place and on our behalf.

So I pray for God's wisdom for all of us. We cannot fall into a moralist interpretation of scripture.

Let's look at one of Bobby's criticisms in this light: "What communion has light with darkness?" This comes from 2 Corinthians 6:14, which starts with "Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers." You can't separate the end of the verse from the beginning. There are many things you can make the Bible say if you are in the habit of quoting parts of a verse or passage without context.

Since Paul starts with "unequally yoked", maybe we should, too. Is Craig unequally yoked with Ron Jeremy? I can't answer that definitively, but there are some more questions we must ask before we examine the evidence. Unequally yoked in whose eyes? The eyes of the patrons and staff at Hooters? The eyes of the Church? Or the eyes of God? If it's the eyes of God, I wouldn't say that Ron Jeremy holds a spiritual position over Craig in their friendship, and so I would argue that the evidence here is that they are not equally yoked.

Given that the foundation of the string of questions in 6:14 (not to mention the rest of the context around this one verse)is "unequal yoked-ness", what does the word communion mean here? I would argue that it doesn't mean "friendship". If it did, then the Great Commission is totally meaningless. All the other questions in 14 and 15 have to do with making the gospel subservient or coequal to behaviors, religions, or philosophies that run counter to Christ. Remember that Craig's relationship with Ron started with debates about porn, and from what I've seen and read - in the secular media, no less - Craig does not compromise here. If he began his relationship with Ron by ogling Hooters waitresses and stuffing dollar bills in the straps of g-strings at a topless bar, we'd have a real problem. But Ron knows Craig is different, and I believe he respects Craig's beliefs. (In fact, he said as much on Nightline.)

Stuph wrote on May 30th 07 at 10:10AM

What a great post! I have read the entire thing and I realize one thing...we are all wrong! When we get to Heaven we will stand corrected on one thing or another! We don't have it all figured out, we are all knuckleheads (a term my dad shared with me many times as a boy!)

BUT more than anything I appreciate Craig's heart. He has made mistakes along the way, and his original post shows his vulnerability and angst in trying to make the decisions that will impact eternity! We all make mistakes and I too am a "dirty little sinner", but cut the guy some slack. I appreciate the fact that the XXXchurch guys are doing something!

Craig I appreciate you and your willingness to push the envelope, but more importantly I appreciate your willingness to question yourself. You are maturing in Christ, and I believe God is blessing your ministry. I will continue to pray for you, your family and all those involved in this ministry. Keep it up!

Paul wrote on May 30th 07 at 10:10AM

Great post. I especially love the line -

Why? Well, I guess what I would rather ask is why not? We are willing to do just about anything short of sin to get this message out. Does everything make sense? Does it have to?

Right on. I am a youth minister and am striving to be the best I can, with God's grace, at relational ministry. You are doing it well. Thanks for the inspiration.

Four Eyes wrote on May 30th 07 at 10:27AM

I didn't get the wrestling thing until I read this post. Every time I see pro wrestling I feel like my I.Q. sinks to new lows so when I saw that that unscripted was going to have wrestling I was like what the heck! I was blind but now I see! Pro Wrestling is fake and porn is fake... how sweet is that!! I can be slow sometimes. Keep sharing the love.

Jennifer wrote on May 30th 07 at 10:37AM

Great job! Thanks for being such a great example! I am inspired by your story! Jennifer

Kyle wrote on May 30th 07 at 10:54AM

keep it up. God is much more concerned with the intent of an act than the act itself... going to hooters for the professional flirts/live softcore I believe would be sinful (so would going to a beach for the same reasons), but in your situation I would go, because you aren't going for that. the best we can all do is do our best to live the life God's called us to, and make our decisions accordingly.

JSO wrote on May 30th 07 at 12:30PM

I like the point that was made saying that "not all Christians have been called to this type of ministry". Just as the body has many parts and different functions, so will the type of ministry that happens through the body.

I'm not sure Christ will ever call me to be a light inside the porn industry, but I'm sure glad he has raised up people like 3x church that are. This is an issue that is ravaging our young and old alike.

Blessings!

stu wrote on May 30th 07 at 03:47PM

Hey Craig, it's Stu from Revolution Atlanta. Glad to see someone else takes the same flak we do. I dare to say those that so vehemently disagree with what you are doing probably have never taken any kind of risk for the sake of Christ. Whether it's you for going to Hooters, or us for having church in a bar, they will so easily fling criticism, but we put ourselves out there for the cause of Christ every day. I for one admire anyone that does that!

Otis wrote on May 30th 07 at 04:27PM

Good post. I believe that this ministry is one that certainly needs to be done. I thank God that you guys are reaching out and doing it. I will say though that if your line is "not sinning," your presence at places such as Hooters and at porn shows and night clubs would definately put myself in transgression against God. I pray that God would continue to keep you pure amongst all that filth and not allow you to stumble and give you wisdom to leave if that stuff does get to you. As for myself and most guys I know, we need the X3 filter and we can't see that stuff without being in sin. Also, maybe it's just not clear in this post, but what type of "friend" are you being to Ron by "inviting him into your world?" Reality is blunt. Ron and all others in the business are in rebellion against God. If Ron were to get in a car accident and die while on the way home from one of your meetings he will be judged by God and spend eternity in Hell. If you met with him just one time without warning him about the certainty of judgement, what kind of friend are you? We don't need to be "buddies" with someone to share Jesus with them. You will be Ron's true friend if you use God's law to show him his sin and destiny apart from repentance and trust in Jesus. All the invitations into your world that don't communicate these simple truths will seem bitter to him on judgment day if he has not yet repented. Ron will certainly wish you spent more effort seeking his repentance rather than his friendship or approval.

josh wrote on May 30th 07 at 05:36PM

I've been getting your emails for the last few years and it's been really cool to watch God open up opportunities for xxxchurch.

Regardless of some of the other selfrighteous commentary left on this board, you guys are doing what Jesus calls all of us to do; reach out to lost people. It's so refreshing to read about a ministry that's actually doing real ministry instead of just talking the good christian talk. I grew up in church and have seen all kinds of things start up, some flourish, some crap out in short order. In all that time, I haven't seen pastors go and make a conscious effort to reach out to guys like Ron Jeremy mostly because they're afraid it would tarnish their image.

cudos to you guys for not buying in to the mentality which plagues the church that states that appearances mean more than people. keep on with what you guys are doing with the heart you have.

For anyone reading this thinking 'these guys arent doing enough' or 'you shouldn't be doing this', think about this: God is love. God cares about our heart not our status or how righteous we can look to people in our church. Jesus spent his time with people who most people wouldn't give the time of day to because of their social status or lack of morals (remember the woman at the well?). If we're called to be like Jesus, what better thing could we do than reach out to people the church won't touch?

Mike wrote on May 30th 07 at 05:52PM

I've read all the comments and I an really happy with all the good points made. I just have a question that kinda goes off-topic. Where in the article did it say the club was a strip club? Maybe it was a dance club. Are we all assuming its a strip club? Or is it mentioned elsewhere on this website?

Tim wrote on May 31st 07 at 05:16AM

Outstanding! I think we often forget that our Saviour didn't hide out in the temple waiting for the lost to show up. Jesus went where the pained and hurting were. Thank you for an amzing article and for allowing yourself to be used. We are praying for you and your families and Ron.

Matthew's House wrote on May 31st 07 at 12:19PM

Thanks Craig for allowing the Holy Spirit to work through you, your wife and your team. We are extremely blessed to read this post and know that our prayers are impacting His Kingdom and participating in what you are doing on your end! Praise God.......

Thanks,
Matthew's House

kevin wrote on May 31st 07 at 03:10PM

i would just like to say booya. i love that people like you are out there in that world representing jesus and representing me. you guys are a light in a world that i'm not quite ready for, and booya for that.

Clint wrote on May 31st 07 at 08:44PM

Craig, I want to start by saying that I'm not sure what I would have done had I been in your situation - if I would have gone into Hooter's or not. I read most of the comments and there is one side of the issue that I didn't see discussed. What would Ron's reaction have been if you had respectfully declined to go into Hooter's with them?

My friends who are not Christians generally know what I stand for and believe in. So if we were out and they wanted to go to Hooter's and I said "No," they might give me a bad time, but they would understand and respect my decision.

So I guess the point I'm making is not that you made the wrong decision, but that God could have also used you to make an impact on Ron's life if you had chosen not to go into Hooter's. I see your situation as one of those grey areas Paul talked about in Romans and Corinthians, on par with eating food sacrificed to idols or on what day to worship. It really all comes down to motive: "Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind." If you decided to go in just to be "cool" and "fit in" in the eyes of men or because it was your chance to have a "good" excuse to go to Hooter's, then that would be wrong. On the other hand, if you decided to stay in the car due to a self-righteous attitude, then that would have also been wrong. So if your motives were pure (and if seems like they were) I believe that God will honor your decision. If you did cross any lines, then I think that God will make that clear to you as well. Stay strong and continually examine your heart as I am sure you will be faced with similar decisions in the future as you continue your friendship with Ron.

GodisSalvation wrote on May 31st 07 at 11:04PM

Craig man, i wish i had the strength to do what you do every day. You reach out to some of the most hardened cynical people and stay with them and try to teach them a better way through Christ(im not saying that Ron Jeremy is cynical, but some of the people who made the porn industry and support it are). Christ bless you in all of your endeavors, and may He grant you the peace that passes all understanding. In Christ,
Joshua

craig wrote on June 1st 07 at 11:58AM

it was not a strip club. a dance/night club grand opening...ron was the special guest you could meet. glad this post has made some people think like it did me. just posted something new on home page called "cheaper than dating"

craig

jj wrote on June 1st 07 at 03:33PM

Clint echoed my main concern/thought when I read this blog. I totally support what this site is all about, but I thought "Whoa, that sounds like crossing the line". And if Ron was really your friend, wouldn't he support and understand your decision not to support such a degrading establishment? Was it a missed opportunity to stand up for what is right?? I don't know. I guess I so fervently try in my own life not to patronize such places that it is hard for me to understand or wrap my brain around such a decision, but I am trying. Reading Clint's post has helped a bit, since we seem to be coming from the same place. Thanks!

john wrote on June 8th 07 at 03:51PM

Jesus said that the person who promotes sin, if I understand the verse right, a guy like Ron, would be better off if he tied a millstone around his neck and flung himself into a lake. Jesus was very stern with the person that stumbles a child of God into sin - like the pornography promoter (I'm assuming this is what Ron does from these posts). Although Ron's conversion would be a really great miracle of God, I think you might be wasting the small amount of time you have available on him. He's promoting porn. He's made his decision and he's prothelytizing others to join him in his beliefs.

JL

chris wrote on October 5th 07 at 04:07PM

i thank the Lord for all of you at X3. He's gifted you with an amazing ministry. i've struggled with sexual addiction for over 25 years and obviously i would not be able to do what you guys do but by reading most of the posts, i've gained a new awareness of why you guys do it and how. thank you so much for the encouragement. you're right on the money with this; genuinely love the people and be interested in them. If eventually they come to Christ then "BONUS!!!". i so glad my church partners with your ministry. you've come and spoke a couple of times and each time it seemed like you speaking just to me. we support you 100%. thanks again everyone.

chris